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Old 12-06-2010, 08:54 PM   #61
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I had a call a few days ago from a friend of one of my subs. He was looking at a new insurance for a rental property, company conditioned a full lead test of house before they would insure. This was Met Life, they supposedly had a group type deal with an auto workers union. .......Could this be the beginning of lead woes for everyone and not just remodelers?

I happened to be standing in my agents office when a similar
call came in,so I asked the agent what their position was.
She stated that they would absolutely not insure any multi-unit
rentals where lead was present.
They are holding on to some existing policies for now,but,yes,this
will be a consideration for future buyers of rental properties.
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:13 AM   #62
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All prudent apartment owners should want to plan and manage, rather than react and run around in a frenzy at the last minute. If they obtain a lead survey (inspection) well before a policy renewal deadline raises the issue, they will have more time to plan and manage.

It is certainly no surprise to read that more insurers are requiring lead surveys (inspections). Not issuing a policy just because some lead is present seems like a clear over-reaction, as the lead may not be a hazard, and the owner may be managing it properly. Those owners who are managing it properly should have an advantage in dealing with insurers and lenders.
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You'll have to excuse me, but some of the posts I've read recently seem to be looking at the RRP from the wrong perspective. Personally, I don't think we are striking the right tone here. So I thought I'd jump into the fray. If people are going to talk about the poor little contractors, and these horrible job killing regulations, and sucking money out of the private industry. Then someone needs to talk about the poor people (general population), and how they get the shaft by the private industry whenever possible.

In America, "private" contractors don't really exist. Everyone ends up taking money from the government, in one way or another. Whether it's by taking a job on a "government" building or work site, or it's applying for a government funded grant to conduct research, or its just using the great infrastructure (e.g. roads, power, granny's Medicare, etc.) you get to use every day.

The government doesn't suck money out of the private industry. If the government didn't tell all the contractors they had to be trained on lead, and to work safely, and to "not poison kids" then there would be no environmental industry. HEPA vacs would have no demand, plastic companies would miss out on selling all of that beautiful 6 mil plastic, and poor 3M wouldn't be able to sell their respirators. And of course, none of the contracts would be working "lead safe."

So let's not pretend like the poor private industry is being saddled with some horrendous, costly, difficult program that is going to put them out of business. I mean seriously, you could train a monkey to follow the RRP rules!

Contractors have known that lead paint is around for hundreds of years. They also knew it was poisoning people. They just chose to bury their head in the sand until they absolutely had to do it. The greatest gains in education have taken place since RRP, but that's the way it always is. Government tells private industry to do something to help everyone= Private industry looks for loop holes so they can keep raking in the profits and/or they "donate" to their senator or association and try to get the rule changed so their specific industry doesn't have to follow all those "job killing" regulations.

Do you think your average "private company/contractor" is going to run out, and pay for a bunch of classes so they know how to work safely? Heck no. But, maybe that's what people want right now. Maybe people want the government to go away. Maybe we should gut all the government programs that protect us.

Let's try it!!!

Here we go:

First, we can start with EPA- no clean water, no clean air, no hazardous waste enforcement. That should work well. I seem to remember a river CATCHING ON FIRE!!! in OHIO. We can end up having a nice clean environment like China or Mexico. Sounds good right?

Second, we can dismantle OSHA, I'm sure those poor private contractors will look forward to paying 30% of their Gross to workers compensation insurance like they used to in the 1970's. That's always good for business. Hey this is getting fun!

Third, we should get rid of the DMV- let's let anybody drive who wants too! Have you had 20 DUII's? No problem, just keep driving baby!

Fourth, Oh here is a great one! Let's eliminate all government funds for university research. We would be able to stop wasting money on cures for diseases that actually matter like diabetes or heart disease. You know the ones that people ignore until they are so fat they are gonna lose a foot, or they have so much plaque in their arteries they need a pig heart! Do you know what would happen if the private industry decided where to spend money on medical research that only returned the largest profit? Americans would live to be 50 years old, but they would have the most efficient boner medicine in the known world!

Come on people! Is this seriously the debate we want to have? The question is not- should we have a lead rule. The question is why the heck did it take so long to get one? AND why oh why, didn't the private industry come up with one on their own? I'll tell you why- because it wasn't REQUIRED!!!

So now that we know why we have to have these job killing regulations what should we do?

I believe we should stop complaining about the RRP, and asking why the government isn't doing a better job. The questions we should be asking, is why it took so long? And why aren't we more concerned with the doing what is right, instead of how much money can we can make?
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Enforcement is a joke. Just had a client tell me they tried reporting someone that they thought was I'm violation. The enforcement officer said they don't see any reason to drive three hours to investigate.

So I've spent all this money to be legal and therefor not an enforcement official within three hours of me. And they don't think there is any reason to enforce it in my area is what I understand.

What a waste of money.
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Enforcement is a joke. Just had a client tell me they tried reporting someone that they thought was I'm violation. The enforcement officer said they don't see any reason to drive three hours to investigate.

So I've spent all this money to be legal and therefor not an enforcement official within three hours of me. And they don't think there is any reason to enforce it in my area is what I understand.

What a waste of money.

Same here. its not going to be enforced as they currently dont have the personel to put on the task. they said more jobs are being cut in the next few months so even less chance of being caught.
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I don't understand how they can expect those of us that do everything we are supposed to to spend this money if they are not going to stop those that violate the law.

I have no problem spending the money if know that is what I'm supposed to do. But if there is not going to be any enforcement why bother. I will still use good work practices and follow all their guidelines even without having all these certifications.
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Enforcement is a joke. Just had a client tell me they tried reporting someone that they thought was I'm violation. The enforcement officer said they don't see any reason to drive three hours to investigate.

So I've spent all this money to be legal and therefor not an enforcement official within three hours of me. And they don't think there is any reason to enforce it in my area is what I understand.

What a waste of money.
Not saying enforcement is tough or even noticeable, but here is part of an email from an EPA individual in enforcement in Region 5 (your region) that I have.

Just so everyone knows, Region 5 USEPA responds to every tip and
complaint that we receive, as long as the complainant gives us enough
information to respond.


This EPA person made a very special effort to make sure several people realize that they do respond to complaints. It may not be to our liking, but at least they are not throwing complaints into the trash.

Not sure if your client contacted the EPA mail room or whoever, but if they go through the http://www.epa.gov/tips/ it will get noticed.
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Thx. I will let them know.
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What happens to the BILLIONS of tons of lead encased plastic this is going to generate??????? Has anybody at the EPA thought of this? I really don't think so. Being a contractor I ( 1. one lowly painter)would generate at least 3 large industrial garbage bag full of lead filled plastic sheeting per SMALL job. Just imagine if ALL the contractors in the COUNTRY generating this much used plastic that cannot be recycled.Where does it end up? About 15 million years from now it will turn back into lead based oil.I am all for saving the brain cells of little children but there has got to be a better way. I am done ranting now and am going to give up painting and drive a truck, hopefully polluting to earth a little less.
Unfortunately our Government doesn't really give a crap about us at all because if they did they wouldn't be worrying as much about Lead dust that people have been living with for years (even though toxic in large quantites) and do something about the things that are really killing our people like Doritos and Ding Dongs, Viagra and Lipitor, Cigarettes, Alcohol, Plastics........Uncle Sam is in it to make MONEY. I'm not saying lead isn't Bad for you or shouldn't be regulated to some extent but they are fining people $37,000 are you kidding me?? LMAO.........If half of the contractors starting out took a 37k fine they'd be out of business. WOW What a Way to Stimulate job growth.....SMART move again by our greedy politicians and state and federal legislators.......

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I believe we should stop complaining about the RRP, and asking why the government isn't doing a better job. The questions we should be asking, is why it took so long? And why aren't we more concerned with the doing what is right, instead of how much money can we can make?
Are you really a contractor, or do you just play one on TV?

Life is about balance. And right now, the government is completely OUT of balance. The idea of "doing the right thing" is one every decent human being would embrace. Period. However, the EPA's new legislation will decimate the value of old houses, the construction industry, independent contractors and put a real hurting on old-house homeowners.

"Aren't we more concerned about doing what is right than making money?"

You know, they COULD make automobiles that are 99% safe, but they'd cost $1 million each. They don't make cars that are 99% safe because no one could afford to buy them. We make millions of dollars vs. life vs. risk decisions each and every day. And that's why the EPA RRP is so insane: It's completely out of whack.

They're spending millions of dollars to help a relatively small number of kids who *might* MIGHT get lead poisoning from eating an old house. If we're going to throw millions of dollars at "SAVING THE CHILDREN" - let's do a real cost vs. risk analysis and find a better way to "SAVE THE CHILDREN."

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Are you really a contractor, or do you just play one on TV?

Life is about balance. And right now, the government is completely OUT of balance. The idea of "doing the right thing" is one every decent human being would embrace. Period. However, the EPA's new legislation will decimate the value of old houses, the construction industry, independent contractors and put a real hurting on old-house homeowners.

"Aren't we more concerned about doing what is right than making money?"

You know, they COULD make automobiles that are 99% safe, but they'd cost $1 million each. They don't make cars that are 99% safe because no one could afford to buy them. We make millions of dollars vs. life vs. risk decisions each and every day. And that's why the EPA RRP is so insane: It's completely out of whack.

They're spending millions of dollars to help a relatively small number of kids who *might* MIGHT get lead poisoning from eating an old house. If we're going to throw millions of dollars at "SAVING THE CHILDREN" - let's do a real cost vs. risk analysis and find a better way to "SAVE THE CHILDREN."

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All complete BS. None of what you write has any basis on reality.

educate yourself first. you will end up saving yourself from getting a heart attack once you come back to reality. you have to stop spreading these lies and misinformation.
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My only problem with the RRP rules is that only a small % of contractors actually comply to these rules. In my area only 5 contractors are certified but there are hundreds of contractors who deal with homes built pre-1978.

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