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Old 10-19-2013, 12:35 PM   #21
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The only incidence of lead poisoning I know of (personally) is the one mentioned before, where a small kid got lead poisoning after chewing on an old painted crib for many hours.
When horses are imprisoned in stalls or small areas for hours on end, often, they develop the bad habit of chewing up anything wood. Just goes to show you, some people shouldn't own pets.....or have kids.

If lead paint on a wall is non toxic, why should it be if a piece of it falls on the floor? It's still encapulated. The only way it can become hazardous to a human is if we someone ingest it--either by eating it or by pulverizing it (sandblasting) so it becomes respirable, thus we can get it into our blood stream via our lungs. Silica sand on your counter is nothing. However, atomize it and it now becomes respirable.

Roofers can be somewhat notorious for turning in their competition and that's an easy drive-by check by osha.
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:21 PM   #22
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Been in this business for 30 years and never seen anyone get lead poisoning. Not to mention kids getting sick from lead was going down before they enacted these rules.
I see children lead poisoned by contractors all the time. You may not see it, because you don't know what to look for and you're not in that type of biz. I don't expect a contractor to know what to look for however.

Additionally, almost every single contractor disturbing lead based paint ... I can find it on their clothes, in their truck and at their own home (from their clothes). But once again, you have to test for it ... you can't see it.
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I see children lead poisoned by contractors all the time. You may not see it, because you don't know what to look for and you're not in that type of biz. I don't expect a contractor to know what to look for however.

Additionally, almost every single contractor disturbing lead based paint ... I can find it on their clothes, in their truck and at their own home (from their clothes). But once again, you have to test for it ... you can't see it.
My wife has been a third grade school teacher for 23 years. Who Ill Bet has more contact with children then you'll ever have. Never once heard of it.
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Knocking off a significant chunk of a child's IQ, or poisoning employees is OK? I doubt you meant that, but those are the real outcomes of just ignoring it.
It's not my job to be an informant for the government. If another contractor is violating RRP, it's none of my business. But people who actually embrace liberty are becoming a rarity in this country. This country wouldn't have got off the ground if we had an EPA, OSHA and 99% of other bloated bureaucracies. And surprise, surprise. Another regulation put in place to "protect the children." Pretty much the same line of sh*t that every poor policy, law or regulation is sold on.
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You would think by now we would be awash with lead poisoned children as far as the eye could see. But that is not the case, I personally have never seen or known anyone with lead poisoning including relatives and friends who used to bite lead sinkers onto fishing line for years.
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You would think by now we would be awash with lead poisoned children as far as the eye could see. But that is not the case, I personally have never seen or known anyone with lead poisoning including relatives and friends who used to bite lead sinkers onto fishing line for years.
And what about the old painters who used to *mix* lead into their paints, and spent all day working with lead paint? Can you imagine what THEIR exposure was? Much more than some kid who gnaws on a window sill for 23 or 24 seconds, before his mother yells at him.

Lead was very prevalent in early 20th Century America. Why not look at some "common sense" facts (rather than the hysteria the EPA wants to inspire)?

Why not look at the fact that - 80+ years ago - when lead was prevalent in water pipes and household products and gasoline and tuna cans and toothpaste tubes - we were much MUCH smarter as a populace.

We're living in the days of "Idiocrasy" when people's stupidity keeps reaching new highs.

If you look at this ASININE lead-paint argument through that lens, one might deduce that we need to start sprinkling some freshly ground lead on everyone's Post Toasties.

The point is, you can not look at facts in isolation, but need to examine the whole. And that's where our stupid government has just gone OFF the rails.

Want proof of how much smarter we were a scant 101 years ago? Check out this 1912 test for eighth graders.

http://bullittcountyhistory.org/bull...lexam1912.html

We're becoming a nation of idiots and it has nothing to do with lead paint.

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My wife has been a third grade school teacher for 23 years. Who Ill Bet has more contact with children then you'll ever have. Never once heard of it.
I would be surprised if you, your wife or dad have seen someone with radon in them. Doesn't mean a lot of people around you haven't been damaged by it.

Hard to see if someone has high blood pressure, unless you test for it. Not sure you would continue with a doctor who just depended on their eyes. I wouldn't at least. I want them to test for blood pressure, use their stethoscope and take blood test.

To you, your wife and dad ... seeing is believing. If you can't see it, it's not there. To me, seeing is important, but I also want test to find out things that can't be seen.

With testing, I can see things you don't realize are there. Like all the lead dust on clothes and work truck.
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I would be surprised if you, your wife or dad have seen someone with radon in them. Doesn't mean a lot of people around you haven't been damaged by it.

Hard to see if someone has high blood pressure, unless you test for it. Not sure you would continue with a doctor who just depended on their eyes. I wouldn't at least. I want them to test for blood pressure, use their stethoscope and take blood test.

To you, your wife and dad ... seeing is believing. If you can't see it, it's not there. To me, seeing is important, but I also want test to find out things that can't be seen.

With testing, I can see things you don't realize are there. Like all the lead dust on clothes and work truck.
You see $$$ and thats all, to you big government is better government
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It's not my job to be an informant for the government. If another contractor is violating RRP, it's none of my business. But people who actually embrace liberty are becoming a rarity in this country. This country wouldn't have got off the ground if we had an EPA, OSHA and 99% of other bloated bureaucracies. And surprise, surprise. Another regulation put in place to "protect the children." Pretty much the same line of sh*t that every poor policy, law or regulation is sold on.
I've noticed that illegal contractors are more likely to say "snitches get stitches". Glad sports aren't like the way you want. Be kind of lopsided with one team following the rules, while the other team can do whatever they want.
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You see $$$ and thats all, to you big government is better government
The bulk of my money earned is from contractors who don't follow RRP, instead of those who do follow RRP.
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Just to balance this, I've read some of the published studies, as well as the EPA's analysis. I'm convinced that children in the target age group can have brain development effects from relatively low levels of lead in their bodies. I do think there are a lot of uncertainties in the studies leading to setting remodeling practices. I don't think the epidemiological studies are definitive in showing the source(s) of the lead for the children who were effected.

Some painters used to get lead poisoning, but it takes high levels for adults. Talk to really old time doctors and nurses, and they'll tell you it did happen. There's no way of knowing if was from paint, though.

Rose, you mention Idiocracy - there's a movie with that title. Just as a teaser, people keep getting more stupid, and it has nothing to do with lead.
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With testing, I can see things you don't realize are there. Like all the lead dust on clothes and work truck.
And what's the LD50 for lead on clothes?
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I've noticed that illegal contractors are more likely to say "snitches get stitches". Glad sports aren't like the way you want. Be kind of lopsided with one team following the rules, while the other team can do whatever they want.
There is no way I can go to a work site and tell if RRP is being complied with or not just from walking through. You're advocating baseless accusations to the authorities, shame on you.
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Rose, you mention Idiocracy - there's a movie with that title. Just as a teaser, people keep getting more stupid, and it has nothing to do with lead.
Yes, the movie "Idiocracy" started out as a work of fiction, but it turned out to be prescient.

Scary indeed.
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And what's the LD50 for lead on clothes?
The LD50 on clothes would be determined by the person. A small little girl, who absorbs 50% and has 1 liter of blood in her body is different than a grown adult contractor. Additionally, while many parents would worry about lethal doses, they are also concerned about making their children lower on intelligence (and other symptoms).
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There is no way I can go to a work site and tell if RRP is being complied with or not just from walking through. You're advocating baseless accusations to the authorities, shame on you.
You jumped to the conclusion that I go around turning contractors in.
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I've noticed that illegal contractors are more likely to say "snitches get stitches". Glad sports aren't like the way you want. Be kind of lopsided with one team following the rules, while the other team can do whatever they want.
Except I'm not an illegal contractor. I've gone through the RRP training, registered, insured, etc, etc. What other people do is none of my business.

I'd have a lot more respect for people if they would admit they are doing it for the money instead of pretending "it's for the children."

One team never follows the rules. They are called the government and things are extremely lopsided.
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The LD50 on clothes would be determined by the person. A small little girl, who absorbs 50% and has 1 liter of blood in her body is different than a grown adult contractor.
LD50 for lead on clothes is whatever it takes to crush the person.
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You jumped to the conclusion that I go around turning contractors in.
No, you encouraged Eric to do it. Unless you want to change your position, and agree with me that you can't tell if RRP is not being complied without examining their documentation.

If someone paid for testing and got an all clear before they started, how is anybody supposed to know without examining the documentation?
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Except I'm not an illegal contractor. I've gone through the RRP training, registered, insured, etc, etc. What other people do is none of my business.

I'd have a lot more respect for people if they would admit they are doing it for the money instead of pretending "it's for the children."

One team never follows the rules. They are called the government and things are extremely lopsided.
I'm sure the illegal contractors thank you and appreciate you protecting them!

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