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Old 04-07-2010, 05:43 AM   #361
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Not true. Some people love older homes lead, asbestos, saggy foundations and all.

You may be right, - - I'm only talking about the other 95% of the people.

The ones who are smart (and beaten up) enough to know that government won't stop here.

This is but a spring-board for them and these newest intrusions.


As far as asbestos being a bigger problem, - - don't confuse bigger problems with bigger solutions . . .



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Old 04-07-2010, 09:52 AM   #362
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After sitting through 8 hours of this and listening to the questions and answers and asking some very specific ones myself, I personally believe that no legitimate contractor will be able to be 100% compliant to these new rules and regulations, AND remain a viable business.
After reading through the main RRP thread, talking with other contractors, and sitting through the course myself, I have come to the same frustrating conclusion, Mike. How can I price these new risks into my jobs and still keep enough clients to stay afloat? True, the risk of poisoning someone has always been around, but now more homeowners are getting informed, bringing that risk closer to the fore, only because more homeowners will have another way to "find" the cause of their, their kids', or their grandkids' declining health.

It's bad enough to have to dot all your i's and cross all your t's to avoid heavy fines, but any contractor who's honest and has a conscience will have yet another thing to make their job difficult....
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Every quarter we pay taxes. Just did mine and the short version is that the government is making more off my efforts than I am. I am gaining a keener appreciation of why the founding fathers put the right to keep and bare arms into the constitutuion. it was to protect themselved FROM the government.

TOO MUCH ALREADY.
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Cole, great article makes many good points and some meaningful comments also! Thanks for posting it.
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"We can either lead the way to amend this legislation or stand back and watch the industry drive off a cliff," says David Hauser of Daystar Windows in Farmington, N.Y., one of the contractors on the rally committee. Plans for the event are still under development, but organizers are hoping to attract Congressional representatives, as well as representatives from the Environmental Protection Agency. "We need dialogue," Hauser states. "We want to hear their side of the story."
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Too bad the EPA dropped the ball
on getting everyone "in the know"
about this:
I'm sure our best allies,the home owners,would have been behind us in droves to help keep this ruling down to
a reasonable "work safe"approach.

Not doing away with the opt-out could save most of them lots of $'s and help keep this industry on an uphill climb.

Most of the clients I deal with have been doing their renovations after the kids are gone and want a final update as they slide into retirement.

Having the HO's behind us could have busted the EPA's overbearing approach to having things done their way.

Not getting the information out there is definitely the method to their madness.
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First time for me on this site guys so bear with me. I'm a one man band, been doing remodeling for 23 years. I'm signed up for the course later in April. Nothing available much sooner than that, all filled up. I'm considering sending a letter to all my customers with older homes, telling them the few details I learned from this site and others. The bottom line is the enormous cost involved. I've called and written congressman. The plan is to tell homeowners just how bad things will be. No need for exaggeration on that one. Once they see the implications they might want to contact their reps also. This thing is big, the ramifications are beyond belief. This law sticks its toe in every older home in America. I should think that might amount to quite a few new voices. The situation with renters also adds a new group to the picture. I'm not giving up on this yet. Too much at stake to lay down in poly.
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I had to stop reading the posts on this thread... You're all so one sighted and have bad tunnel vision.. Havent you a clue what the ** is going on in the capital...

This **** is just the beginning guys... There is a whole lot more to come.

Time to wake up and get involved

POLITICALLY!!!!!!!

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Why dont each and everyone of you run an add in the paper sections of Home improvement , painting etc... saying

"I WILL NOT WORK ON YOUR HOUSE IF ITS OLDER THAN DIRT! ***REMOVED***"

Alien amnesty legislation is next guys.. They're going to open the flood gates to smash us..


HELLO USSR!!!!!!

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Exactly right, Kuba, - - this is to clear the path for more illegals to come here and vote for democrats.

They'll be telling them the construction field is wide open, - - come one, come all!!
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Kuba, you're right about getting involved. This thing hasn't surfaced yet in the mainstream media. I listen to the radio all day. Have even tried to call to bring it up. This isn't only affecting us, its affecting everyone who owns or rents an older home. You think they even know about this yet? The polls are constantly getting worse for the current party in charge. (trying to be diplomatic here). That is why I'm telling everyone I know about the magnitude of this process and they seem to be listening. I am urging these people and my customers to call and write, e-mail whatever, their local and state congressman. I even e-mailed the senate and assembly minority leaders. Democrat contactors can do likewise. Incumbents are feeling pressure bigtime, put this monster in the lap of the customers. I assure you, once they find out about this, they will be just as concerned as we are. Sorry for being long on this. Realize also that the law is trying to make us cannibals and "eat ourselves" with this reward issue. I'm not going to get into turning anyone in. The focus should be on the law not ourselves. Just a possible game-plan here, not trying to step on anybodies toes, sorry if I have.
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Bull! Step on toes! Make a print out and hand them out to people! Leave the info on tables in restraunts.. Put them on cars at the mall!


Be careful what you listen to on the corp media.. Its all owned and paid for by special interests and they only feed you complete CRAP so that you walk around talking CRAP so that others be come infested with their CRAP!


Start locally... Let your mayors, school districts, govs know you're going to axe them if they dont fix this bull...

The truth is out there, but you wont find it on CNN, MSNBC, or Fox.. Its ALL propaganda to dumb you down and distract you from that horse **** they really want to feed you.

Get your HBA members involved in revolting against this crap. Then get on board to stop (dont know why the presidents name is edited on these pages)
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Well I was the latest victim today....Its as bad as I thought. I went in negative then started thinking it wasnt that bad as the day wore on but in the end I was back to the begining. Its not the caution you have to take, its the level of procedure that is costly and unrealistic. You can put on the whole show but be 10% sloppy and it's worthless. They said lead dust the amount of a packet of sugar can contaminate a whole house. Its impossible and impractical in the real world to control, contain and govern the process. Even if cost was no factor its those 3 things that make the process a nightmare. I was speechlees on more than one occassion. This thing will have to be revamped, at what point who knows but right now April 22nd just aint happening.

There is nothing affected worse than a simple window or door job where the set up can double the time it takes for each installation room by room.
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Between this and the energy laws on 4/1, at least for NH, you'd think that they were almost trying to sabotage the economy. Great job guys, triple the cost of building a house in this economy. It may not be triple, but it's gonna have the same effect. Not only is the pool of customers gonna shrink because not as many people will be spending the extra money in a poor economy, but there are other factors as well. What about the companies that go under and a bunch of guys are now posting on craigslist, and foregoing any of these new regulations or things like insurance and taxes? They are pricing it cheaper than it should have been before the new regs, how is anyone gonna compete with that? And what about the guys who have gone out on their own within the last year and are trying to do everything right? How many people with reasonably high standards are going to be forced to take the same road and do work without permits or following the new regs, or starve/ go under? Even if it's a compromise, even if they figure they won't sink all the way down to that level and still carry insurance and pay taxes. Because once someone finds out because a customer couldn't get you to throw on that extra 225 sq ft addition for nothing and rats you out and files a lawsuit against you, suing you for the cost of re-doing all your work, and having your insurance company drop you because of this. Now you're in worse shape than you were to begin with. Yeah, that will boost the economy right up there! It's a good thing they didn't just get done forcing a bill down the throats of the majority of legal, tax paying, productive members of the US society. Like one that greatly increase the cost of health insurance while also requiring everybody to get it. One that would require insurance companies provide much more services to many times more people, yet they don't expect to see an increase in price!!! Oh wait that did happen. It's almost like it's the only way they can push illegal labor with coming out in the open and saying "Hey contractors and tradesman, come here. Look we are gonna need you guys to start hiring more illegal workers. If you can't agree to that, well than we are just going to have to make as much legislation as possible to force you guys to start hiring illegals. And we will even make ourselves out to look like heros to the rest of the country."
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I had to stop reading the posts on this thread... You're all so one sighted and have bad tunnel vision.. Havent you a clue what the ** is going on in the capital...

This **** is just the beginning guys... There is a whole lot more to come.

Time to wake up and get involved

POLITICALLY!!!!!!!
Many of us DO know what is coming. We are taking steps to stop it but stopping the government is a huge effort. and we as contractors are a small group to them.

I'm just glad I didn't vote for the "fundamental transformation of America"
(and I know RRP didn't start with the anointed one, but there are so many other aspects of life that are going to change soon for us if they get their way.
Get out and VOTE in november for the change of the "change". Be an independent and vote for the right person. i hope the party system was abolished in this country. it shouldn't be Rep vs dem , left vs right. it should be what is RIGHT for this country. I hate labels.

sorry to rant but I'm fed up with this. WE are watching our country be torn down by people who want the government to do everything for us.
teaching people that it doesn't really pay to work hard and succeed because it'll just be taken from you to pay for the lazy a hole who wants to stay home and collect a check each week while we pay all his bills.
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Well, I took the class... the OPT-OUT is GONE as of April 22 (which, of course, is the same day that it starts). According to our instructor, the next step is for the EPA to adopt the stricter HUD regs for all jobs. This whole 'rule' really is completely asinine.
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HO GUS PO GUS Let me look into my crystal ball. mmmmmmmmm I see No enforcement of this new regulation due to the lack of EPA funds. They will only use scare tactics and burn a contractor here and there, but make it sound like they have an army checking on us. The phones will be be flooded with tips that will never be followed up on unless you cross reference as a big contributor of the opposition party which ever one is in at the time.
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OK .. Let's talk federal agency enforcement...
INS / ICE ............... ZERO
SEC ................ Zero to 5 % w/Goldman today.
FDIC ................ Zero to 5 % with a few Friday pizza parties.

**** this ****.

This has to start with the smiling, nodding illegals that will be coddled and excused from this **** because "they didn't know any better" etc.

**** THIS **** until our FED>GOV enforces and applies the rules to ILLEGAL ALIENS AND CRIMINAL BANKS before they start TREADING ON OUR RIGHT to earn a living and taking care of customers that just want work done at a fair price in a safe manner that has been acceptable for the last 2000 + years.

**** WASHINGTON. **** BOTH PARTIES. I Will never vote D or R again. They are wolves deciding what to eat and **** THAT ****. The divide and conquer 2 party has to stop and we only need 34% if we get three parties and break the mold.

It's now or never guys.

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