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Old 11-17-2018, 07:58 PM   #21
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As a mason I donít know much about the law but the one large window company that I do a lot of work for follows it and I can say damm that is a lot of wasted plastic

I think the plastic associated industry must have lobbied hard to pass that law


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I always like the question of removing and hanging a door. If the hinges aren't painted, you really disturbed no paint, but the interpretation is if something is removed, it counts toward the sq ft. I haven't been able to verify, but there sre some reports that removing something, sending off site for restoration, then reinstalling is OK, but trashing the old snd installing new triggers the demolition clause, and compliance is required. No matter the sq ft.

Obviously, the law wasn't written by people who really thought this all through well. The idea that taking unpainted hinges apart to remove and then trashing the door somehow poses a larger hazard than slamming a door is pretty amazing.
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Not true.
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Technically you can't even look at or quote an older house if you aren't certified. You don't have the certification to use the swab to see if it is lead paint.

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The second half of this is true. But a lot of contractors think you have to be certified to be able to bid a project on a pre 1978 house at all. If it's not paint disturbing, you can bid it. So no-prep repaints are ok, etc.
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There's another option as well. Even if you aren't certified, you can have a testing professional certify it as lead free. From that time on, any architectural elements certified lead free can be worked on with no requirement for compliance.

I don't know of any HO that would want to pay for that, but it could happen.
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There's another option as well. Even if you aren't certified, you can have a testing professional certify it as lead free. From that time on, any architectural elements certified lead free can be worked on with no requirement for compliance.

I don't know of any HO that would want to pay for that, but it could happen.
If you have a hunch there's no lead, then the overall paint job could be cheaper, even after testing.
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The second half of this is true. But a lot of contractors think you have to be certified to be able to bid a project on a pre 1978 house at all. If it's not paint disturbing, you can bid it. So no-prep repaints are ok, etc.
I have to assume things like caulk and putty and primer are "non-disturbing" (only adding caulk, not pulling the old) - these would be part of a no-prep repaint, right? (even if priming/painting over sand-offs that are partly down to raw wood)
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If you have a hunch there's no lead, then the overall paint job could be cheaper, even after testing.
I go off of permits. If an area was demo'd sfter 1978, it could be eorth it. Also, I've come across houses where an entire L was redone and the AHJ had that part with an effective build date in the 1980s. That one was fair game for just working.
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people have been breathing lead dust particles forever without ever even knowing it. Wash it down with a little Budweiser you'll be fine

The EPA is like OSHA or a traffic cop. They pretend to be concerned about public safety when all they really want is money.
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There's another option as well. Even if you aren't certified, you can have a testing professional certify it as lead free. From that time on, any architectural elements certified lead free can be worked on with no requirement for compliance.



I don't know of any HO that would want to pay for that, but it could happen.


I had a lead abatement company remove lead paint before. 4 walls cost 7k.


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I had a lead abatement company remove lead paint before. 4 walls cost 7k.


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I have a certified demo company here. I'd probably get a lot more for $7k.

Whole 1800sf house was $18k. Including all lath and plaster down to studs. All trim, windows, tile, underlayment, etc.

Not sure about just removing the paint only though...
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I have a certified demo company here. I'd probably get a lot more for $7k.



Whole 1800sf house was $18k. Including all lath and plaster down to studs. All trim, windows, tile, underlayment, etc.



Not sure about just removing the paint only though...


I had interior plaster walls they demoed.


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I have a certified demo company here. I'd probably get a lot more for $7k.

Whole 1800sf house was $18k. Including all lath and plaster down to studs. All trim, windows, tile, underlayment, etc.

Not sure about just removing the paint only though...
Lead abatement is a whole different ball game . My understanding with a RRP certification you are not really suppose to do abatement work. It may end up being that more or less , but you can't call it abatement work.
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I don't know a single contractor, painting or otherwise that even pays attention to these laws.
I know a contractor out here in San Diego who's done really well being 'compliant', bidding on jobs from the city, seems there's not much competition.

While they're following the rules I guess, I've been out on a couple of job sites where they are working and it's clear that it's an exercise in futility, plastic everywhere, everyone wearing those paper suits, it all seems to work and then the wind picks up and all of the deadly dust laden particles go everywhere but where they're supposed to go......
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people have been breathing lead dust particles forever without ever even knowing it. Wash it down with a little Budweiser you'll be fine

The EPA is like OSHA or a traffic cop. They pretend to be concerned about public safety when all they really want is money.
This wasn't the EPA's idea, it was HUD for section 8, but HUD had no authority to create environmental legislation.
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Lead abatement is a whole different ball game . My understanding with a RRP certification you are not really suppose to do abatement work. It may end up being that more or less , but you can't call it abatement work.
That's correct. You can demo everything out down to framing, ir you can strip all the wood down to bare as paint prep. Once you're done, you still can't certify it as lead free. Abatement companies can.
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RRP lead tests may only be used by the RRP certified firm fir a given project. Noone else can use them for other purposes.
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interestingly enough, the regulations allow homeowners to do whatever they want with no restrictions, and also allow any work done for free ( as in donated)not to follow any protocols.
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I know a contractor out here in San Diego who's done really well being 'compliant', bidding on jobs from the city, seems there's not much competition.

While they're following the rules I guess, I've been out on a couple of job sites where they are working and it's clear that it's an exercise in futility, plastic everywhere, everyone wearing those paper suits, it all seems to work and then the wind picks up and all of the deadly dust laden particles go everywhere but where they're supposed to go......
You can still be compliant under tbe rules if you're following the work practices.
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interestingly enough, the regulations allow homeowners to do whatever they want with no restrictions, and also allow any work done for free ( as in donated)not to follow any protocols.


The government shouldn't be able to force me to as a home owner. I think the legality is a lot different.


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