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Old 07-27-2011, 10:43 AM   #21
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From the Mayo Clinic:

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff
Initially, lead poisoning can be hard to detect even people who seem healthy can have high blood levels of lead. Signs and symptoms usually don't appear until dangerous amounts have accumulated.

Symptoms in children
The signs and symptoms of lead poisoning in children may include:

Irritability
Loss of appetite
Weight loss
Sluggishness and fatigue
Abdominal pain
Vomiting
Constipation
Learning difficulties

Symptoms in newborns
Babies who are exposed to lead before birth may experience:

Learning difficulties
Slowed growth

Symptoms in adults
Although children are primarily at risk, lead poisoning is also dangerous for adults. Signs and symptoms in adults may include:

High blood pressure
Declines in mental functioning
Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
Muscular weakness
Headache
Abdominal pain
Memory loss
Mood disorders
Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm
Miscarriage or premature birth in pregnant women


They also mention "death" in higher dosages. I'm guessing that these docs know a bit about what they do. They probably can't wield a hammer as good as us, but this I think they got a handle on. The dangers of lead have been documented since 200 B.C., so this isn't something the just popped up.

Do you remember a while back all the problems that surfaced in China due to lead exposure? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/wo...pagewanted=all

The problem is not necessarily painting with paint that contains lead, it's when it is removed, sanded, or the paint fails. I less affluent neighborhoods, where maintenance is lacking, you often hear of children being exposed to lead and suffer from lead poisoning. The bottom line is that these houses were built well before these kids were born, so as Kent pointed out, it's not who lives there now, it's who will live there in the future. That nobody can know.

I know RRP is a PITA. But, every contractor has to follow it. If you are bidding on a job, you are (presumably) bidding against other that have to follow the same rules. Add it to your cost. Yes, I know we often get the pleasure of bidding against unlicensed hacks, but this is an opportunity to educate your customer and tell them why you need to follow RRP, and what the consequences are for them if you don't. They can do a simple search on the internet to get all the information they ever want.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:58 AM   #22
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... presented to the American people publically. So publically that the average person get's tired of watching it, kind of like the non-smoking campaign.

This way, instead of a few people trying to convice me on all the details, all of the American public would know. Know what is true and what is overkill. Know what to do and what not to worry about. How would I determine success? When I mention it to my customers and instead of trying to educate them on medical details (and I am not a doctor), they would be telling me "Yes sir, not only do I want it and willing to pay for it, I insist on it"!!

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I would love to see the same thing!

It took years to change people's mind that smoking was not just a bad vice, but can harm. Many a Lead Safe Certified Firm can't afford to wait years. They need this now.
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They can do a simple search on the internet to get all the information they ever want.
Appreciate the info.

The average person out there who rejects the whole idea of it can be a road block. One of my best customers, the husband, a retired Bank President and wife, a former School Teacher just do not want to hear it. I've given her links to look up and have asked her a handful of different times if she has checked into it or not and the answer is always "No". These are well educated people in a high class neighborhood.

I see their point as they have been brought up in older houses, done tons of painting and remodeling projects through all the years, never had any problems and just are not worried about it.

That is just one example. I have others. I am getting pretty tired of getting that blank stare look and people looking at me like I'm crazy.

That is why we need a national campaign on it. If the government is wants it that bad, then present it to the public, correctly and thoroughly.

It's bad enough that I have to try to sell them something that I'm not even convinced about (Opt Out catagory), but who has that kind of time and effort to put into a job, just to lose it anyway when the RRP thing pushes the prices out of reason.

I'm just glad that I have a secondary business that keeps me going. If I had to rely totally on Contracting right now, in this area, I would probably have to go back to driving a truck. ...if I was lucky.

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While we got the subject is going here, I just recalled something.

Asbestos.

When it became required to have special rules and procedures when working with and removing Asbestos years ago, they seemed to get the word out pretty good. Anytime you talked to someone about Asbestos, just about everyone knew about it and would chime in on the dangers of it. I remember TV reports on it and much, much public info on it.

Now Lead is a much more wide spread case than asbestos was (is).

Why the secrecy and what's the hold up with Lead education??
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I agree it should be done publicly with PSA and maybe town hall meetings or with HOA's something other than making us responsible for educating the public, that job description falls squarely on the govt's shoulders.
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I am getting pretty tired of getting that blank stare look and people looking at me like I'm crazy.
I bet I could help you out tremendously and increase your sales of RRP. Send me a PM with your email.
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From hiteams' links it sounds like they can reconstruct the 73 YO's exposure history by checking the tibia for lead.

If the results get known his medical insurance may be canceled.

Here is a coarse benchmark for functioning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...of_Functioning
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One of the reasons for asbestos awareness was the 1986 Asbestos Hazard Emergency Response Aact (AHERA), which required K-12 schools to be inspected and have management plans in place by 1990. If EPA had required that all pre-1978 residential buildings be inspected by 2013, awareness of lead-based paint would be far higher.

There is still widespread misinformation on asbestos, the most common being the idea that the year 1980s has some significance, when many common building materials containing asbestos were used until the middle to late 1980s. There are also contractors who do not know the various materials which might contain asbestos (drywall joint compound seems a surprise to many I've met).
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There's still a lot of resistance, but we've found that awareness is increasing. It can be very frustrating to see large companies, who know better, blatantly disregarding lead safe practices. I don't think that's going to last much longer, though.

We've seen more awareness in the Baltimore area. A landlord was recently jailed for contempt of court for failing to bring his properties into compliance, and our company was brought in by his lawyers to do the remediation and containment. Just recently, he plead guilty and will probably be sentence to a year in prison.

I've noticed more whistle-blowing about lead paint from the general public, even though there's a lot of misinformation. I've seen people complain about things that were not actually violations, because they expect to everything to be "Abatement" with guys in Hazmat suits.

I also want to see more awareness so that people have an accurate knowledge of lead safe practices, so they don't panic unnecessarily.

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