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Old 06-01-2010, 05:44 AM   #1
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I am still seeing business as usual all over the city. There are around 75 certified firms in my area but I have yet to see anyone using the new guidelines.
Sunday I went by a historical home being stripped to bare wood on the exterior. I saw no caution tape, just ladders and scaffolding up 3 stories. I guess they could have cleaned up everything and went home for the weekend. I doubt it though. I am going to run by there again.
This is the frustrating part of all this. I have to follow the guidelines but these guys can do this? I wondered if they were using a chemical stripper and minimizing the dust, but plastic would still be required for containment.
Ok, I'm done ranting.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:32 AM   #2
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I would bet that a lot of guys are simply rolling the dice on this. On bids for historical homes, 99.9% of the time I see the lowest bidder get the job, and, you just know that they will cut every corner they can to save money.

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I am still seeing business as usual all over the city. There are around 75 certified firms in my area but I have yet to see anyone using the new guidelines.
Sunday I went by a historical home being stripped to bare wood on the exterior. I saw no caution tape, just ladders and scaffolding up 3 stories. I guess they could have cleaned up everything and went home for the weekend. I doubt it though. I am going to run by there again.
This is the frustrating part of all this. I have to follow the guidelines but these guys can do this? I wondered if they were using a chemical stripper and minimizing the dust, but plastic would still be required for containment.
Ok, I'm done ranting.
Are you sure it hasn't been
stripped before?
I wouldn't need the RRP procedures
on my 1950 cape, because I took
it down to bare wood 20 years ago.
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Yea maybe it has been stripped before...highly unlikely, at least it doesn't look like it. It's pretty old around 1903 vintage. A line where they started and stopped stripping/sanding is obvious.
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Are you sure it hasn't been
stripped before?
I wouldn't need the RRP procedures
on my 1950 cape, because I took
it down to bare wood 20 years ago.
Not true with only the possible exception if you were abatement certified for lead removal. I called the EPA and their position is "it is not possible to remove 100% of the lead paint so RRP would still need to be followed."

I asked under the context of if I followed RRP and removed all loose paint and all the lead paint was buried under multiple layers of non-lead paint, could I then powerwash without reclaiming the water since no lead paint would be disturbed?

Different context, but I bet you would get the same answer.
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I saw on the news today protien drinks body builder consume have lead in them as well as other metals. They must be cheating as well.
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I saw on the news today protien drinks body builder consume have lead in them as well as other metals. They must be cheating as well.
All of their bodily waste MUST be collected,wrapped in plastic sheeting and taken to the land fill, sweat included.
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I pulled a permit last week in a city where 90% of the houses were built pre 1978, and talked to the inspector about his RRP procedures... would he suit up when he walked onto my job site?

Well, he said up to this point he hasn't encountered that situation (lead safe work practices taking place) but wasn't going to worry about it (i.e. he will walk onto the site, contaminate himself, walk back out through the house, contaminate the house, get into his vehicle, contaminate his vehicle...)

30 some days since April 22nd and I'm the only contractor in the city working Lead Safe on a pre 1978? Kudos to me!!
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I would bet that a lot of guys are simply rolling the dice on this. On bids for historical homes, 99.9% of the time I see the lowest bidder get the job, and, you just know that they will cut every corner they can to save money.
I'm still running into contractors that haven't heard
about RRP.(or feigning ignorance)
It seems to be mostly painters that don't know,or refuse
to comply ,but make the biggest disturbance of lead.
They are also the ones that have to take the biggest hit
on increasing pricing.
Imagine the cost of enclosing a complete exterior!
Once these HO's start getting a taste of the cost from
the legitimate certified firms,encasement will be the
only cost effective alternative,making vinyl siding the
new boom.IMHO
I guess they'll have to learn the hard way!
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Since the economy is still not really improving I wouldnt be surprised if people saved there money and took on more chores. If contractors were given better material pricing and lower insurance rates it would be easier to provide a better product or at least offset the cost differance. New regulations and stricter codes that make painting or window jobs an expensive venture only encourage more DIYer jobs.
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All of their bodily waste MUST be collected,wrapped in plastic sheeting and taken to the land fill, sweat included.
Maybe a new specialty trade here........
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Once all this silly-ness sets in and realized, I predict old house values to drop. They could drop big time. Imagine trying to sell a house that is a little rough and has visable signs of peeling paint? How about houses in Historical Districts where the association can even tell you what colors to use, never mind not to cover it with Vinyl (which I'm totally against, but I'm making a point here).

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Lost 4 jobs this year on historical homes due to the home owners finding lower
priced contractors who BTW are not RRP certified. In the end, lowest price gets the job, period.

As the word gets out more, - - homeowners will be purposely avoiding anyone RRP.

Higher costs coming with higher regulations is a no-brainer for them.

Perception is everything.

Good news for the 6th-grade-education minorities and illegals the government plans on handing your businesses over to, though, - - no fines for them . . .

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As the word gets out more, - - homeowners will be purposely avoiding anyone RRP.

Higher costs coming with higher regulations is a no-brainer for them.

Perception is everything.

Good news for the 6th-grade-education minorities and illegals the government plans on hand your businesses over to, though, - - no fines for them . . .
I think you are right on with that statement. I took the class because I had work lined up for the most of the summer. (unfortunately pre 1978 homes) Two big jobs did one and the other canceled because of the extra costs, and they are a repeat customer--for years.
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and the other canceled because of the extra costs
There's the reality of it.

Great timing considering the economy.
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I don't make enough money to follow rrp even if I wanted too. Sooner or later this will blow over, people will realize the epa doesn't have the will or resources to prosecute the little guys, and we'll all get back to business, just as with OSHA requirements.
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just as with OSHA requirements.
It reminds me a lot of the original OSHA days back in the 70's. We had the same quacky impacts from it back then too.
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Here comes what we all dislike about this nightmare..........Yesterday I heard at least 3 commercials on the radio for a law firm who wants to represent you for lead exposure. They say you may look fine but have trouble learning or paying attention a direct result of lead poisioning.

Could you imagine how many people will be looking for a payout, this is like the old back pain law suits which cant be proved........I think there may be something wrong with me, i look fine but have trouble learning, things seem to complicated. WHO CAN I SUE?
The lawyers are bringing this country down faster every year.
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All most would have to do in court, is point to some of us painters and say "Now I'm afraid my little Johnny will end up like him".

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