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Old 08-05-2012, 09:17 PM   #1
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We received a contract to do some site work at a state prison. What I found out after the price was set is the problems involved in working at one of these.

What i have been told is all equipment is to be moved outside the fence every night. This is to include a dozer, excavator etc. They have steel tracks so you just don't drive them out. I was also informed that the dump truck has to be checked every time we enter or leave, could take 15 to 30 minutes to do so. This job is about 40 trips through the gates. What I have added up is about 3 extra days with two guys for all the extra at rate pay, adds up fast.

Please tell me if any one has experienced this before and what was involved. I am thinking I need some sort of price adjustment before we start.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:21 PM   #2
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No real help to speak of.......

But could you lobby for an escort each time you need to drive off site?
Maybe it would allow you quicker inspection times.
I'm sure they have at least one goon to loan out.

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We received a contract to do some site work at a state prison. What I found out after the price was set is the problems involved in working at one of these.

What i have been told is all equipment is to be moved outside the fence every night. This is to include a dozer, excavator etc. They have steel tracks so you just don't drive them out. I was also informed that the dump truck has to be checked every time we enter or leave, could take 15 to 30 minutes to do so. This job is about 40 trips through the gates. What I have added up is about 3 extra days with two guys for all the extra at rate pay, adds up fast.

Please tell me if any one has experienced this before and what was involved. I am thinking I need some sort of price adjustment before we start.
Now you know why you were the low bidder.
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Now you know why you were the low bidder.
Dont know about other states, but The Great State Of Texas often takes "best" bid. Not necessarily low bid.
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This info should have been in the spec book...

at the very least the job site being behind the wall of a state prison should have evoked some questions or curiosity on your part...

The "gates" you are talking about are called the "Sally Port". At times you may get through in 15-30 minutes but....

Transportation detail, medical units and regular deliveries will have priority.

Very likely that all movement, inside the prison & through the Sally Port will be stopped during any inmate counts and will be in effect until the count clears. In other words all the bad guys have been accounted for. Find out when the counts are & any hours restricting your access & more importantly your egress.

Standard inmate attire is blue jeans...you, your crew & truck drivers will have to wear another color or a jump suit.

Also when you use the Sally Port your ID & truck will be checked. If the prison gives you an officer as an escort can speed this process up significantly.

Any tools, extension cords, ropes, chains etc. will have to be accounted for.
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Dont know about other states, but The Great State Of Texas often takes "best" bid. Not necessarily low bid.
South Carolina automatically throws out the highest and the lowest bids, or at least they use too, so I assume they still may.
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Now you know why you were the low bidder.
Thank you for the support! I am not sure I liked your comment but most jobs are won from missing something. No work is more competitive than this work that is a fact.
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Please tell me if any one has experienced this before and what was involved. I am thinking I need some sort of price adjustment before we start.
Yep. Security protocols will vary depending on which particular institution you're working at. You should have received (or demanded) a specific listing before bidding the job.

Since it's so highly variable from one location to another, all I can offer is a sympathetic BTDT.
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This info should have been in the spec book...

at the very least the job site being behind the wall of a state prison should have evoked some questions or curiosity on your part...

The "gates" you are talking about are called the "Sally Port". At times you may get through in 15-30 minutes but....

Transportation detail, medical units and regular deliveries will have priority.

Very likely that all movement, inside the prison & through the Sally Port will be stopped during any inmate counts and will be in effect until the count clears. In other words all the bad guys have been accounted for. Find out when the counts are & any hours restricting your access & more importantly your egress.

Standard inmate attire is blue jeans...you, your crew & truck drivers will have to wear another color or a jump suit.

Also when you use the Sally Port your ID & truck will be checked. If the prison gives you an officer as an escort can speed this process up significantly.

Any tools, extension cords, ropes, chains etc. will have to be accounted for.
Griz, agree on the spec book. Was not in the book I received from the GC when bidding the job. He sent me my portion only. I plan on requesting more money because of this. No work has started yet so not out anything yet expect the entire job if we go that route. We where contacted after the GC was awarded the work. Was recommended by the paver that we do alot of work with.

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Years ago we did all the cement work for the INS prison in Florence AZ. Every contractor had their own shipping container inside the fence. We would check in at the beginning of the day and the end of the day. Anytime in between we could go in and out freely. Obviously there was a guard station and couple guards to open the gates and they would take note of who was driving what as to not let any wrong doer in or out. I remember for sure there were 2 gates but for some reason I picture 3 in my head. All our AB was outside the fence so we would be in and out with the backhoe many times. We were able to keep the backhoe inside the fence at night. We needed to let the guards know our schedule for the day so they knew who was coming in and out(cement trucks, etc).

I understand this was an INS prison so not sure if the security would be the same but maybe this would help. Also we are in different states so that might have a play in the way things go.
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Unfortunately these are logistics issues that should have been thought about when you were bidding the job. After I finish an estimate, the very next thing I think about is, "Is this going to be a PITA for production?" Then I adjust based on how badly efficiency will be affected.

This one will likely be a lesson learned for you (it sucks). But at least it's only a few extra days. As Dave Ramsey says, "I've made mistakes with lots of zeros on the end."
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This info should have been in the spec book...

at the very least the job site being behind the wall of a state prison should have evoked some questions or curiosity on your part...

The "gates" you are talking about are called the "Sally Port". At times you may get through in 15-30 minutes but....

Transportation detail, medical units and regular deliveries will have priority.

Very likely that all movement, inside the prison & through the Sally Port will be stopped during any inmate counts and will be in effect until the count clears. In other words all the bad guys have been accounted for. Find out when the counts are & any hours restricting your access & more importantly your egress.

Standard inmate attire is blue jeans...you, your crew & truck drivers will have to wear another color or a jump suit.

Also when you use the Sally Port your ID & truck will be checked. If the prison gives you an officer as an escort can speed this process up significantly.

Any tools, extension cords, ropes, chains etc. will have to be accounted for.
Anything you arent knowledgeable in?
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Be nice to the guards and find out when count times are so you can avoid them. Use the largest trucks possible to avoid unnecessary trips.
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Unfortunately these are logistics issues that should have been thought about when you were bidding the job. After I finish an estimate, the very next thing I think about is, "Is this going to be a PITA for production?" Then I adjust based on how badly efficiency will be affected.

This one will likely be a lesson learned for you (it sucks). But at least it's only a few extra days. As Dave Ramsey says, "I've made mistakes with lots of zeros on the end."
I was told by the GC that my equipment can stay on site before we bid the job. I ran into a Friend of mine this weekend that is a correction officer at a state prison and he informed me differently. Sent a RFI tonight for clarification before we start.
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Maybe he has "inside" knowledge? Just kidding. Most is available online. not exact. enough to get the drift though.
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Be nice to the guards and find out when count times are so you can avoid them. Use the largest trucks possible to avoid unnecessary trips.
Using Tri-axles but I guess they look under the hood, in the material being trucked in or out etc. I am not concerned about doing the work but need to know what is involved so I can price accordingly and was not informed by the GC. Thanks for the information.
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Griz, agree on the spec book. Was not in the book I received from the GC when bidding the job. He sent me my portion only. I plan on requesting more money because of this. No work has started yet so not out anything yet expect the entire job if we go that route. We where contacted after the GC was awarded the work. Was recommended by the paver that we do alot of work with.
Access, Egress & site working condition should have been noted under "General Conditions" ...If you did not see them you definitely have a bone to pick. Good Luck

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Using Tri-axles but I guess they look under the hood, in the material being trucked in or out etc. I am not concerned about doing the work but need to know what is involved so I can price accordingly and was not informed by the GC. Thanks for the information.
That is what I forgot to add. At the first entry of the day they do a complete search of any vehicle entering the premises. COMPLETE! So don't be hiding any gonja in your pouches.

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