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Old 09-17-2020, 10:06 PM   #1
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Windows On A New House


Hi Contractors.

I am not a contractor so maybe this post will just be removed. However as you are all experts was looking for some insight.

I am building a moderate home. Nothing super high end but we did do a couple extras on the house. What I am struggling with are the windows.

The options we had been giving are Plygem and Jeldwen. I just don't feel good about either as I have read reviews on line. I understand that I am sure that the smaller percentage of people who had issues are probably louder then the people who are satisfied and never comment. Some reviews are a little concerning. We are the ones who will be in the house 10 or 20 years.

We live in SouthCarolina and it is super hot and humid. Every house with cheapo windows had seal bust and the windows fog up. I would like windows that are energy efficient. Since the sun here is intense.

Marvin seem a bit out our price range what is something that would be decent but not break the bank. The jeldwen that we picked have a 12 backorder and now I'm being asked to go with the plygems. Andersilver line seem like low end as well.


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Old 09-17-2020, 10:29 PM   #2
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How long do you plan to live there? High quality windows make a huge difference. Can you reduce your costs elsewhere on the project to recoup the additional cost of Marvin or Andersen 400s?


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Milgard would be a step up from plygem or Jeldwin. Just go for the midnrange and you will be fine. Add auto locks for a couple bucks and be happy.

That being said, our plygem service in this area is great, as is our Milgard service department.

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I’ve installed a lot of jeldwen and have only had two bad defects.

1) glass break. Manufacturing defect because one pane was touching the vinyl sash so I’m guessing the expansion/contraction caused the crack. Not warrantied.

2) delamination of the low e film. Warrantied
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It looks like Milgard is now owned by MI. Its interesting to see "simonton" is owned by ply gem. Lots of consolidation in the industry. I think the Anderson 400 series looks nice. However I have no idea about the cost increase.
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How about these:



Anderson100 Series vs Anderson 200 series.

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I’ve heard the Anderson 100 are Okay too. Probably 50% more $$ than JW.
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I have used Andersons 100s are a pretty fair window , nice thing is can get them in darker colors, little on the boxy side . Just used Milgard on a job because needed to match other window in the house, are a good one too. Jeldwen personally would not use them on something wanted to live a long time. frame are light weight , glass is thin making them tinny sounding. You want thicker glass to cut out street noise. Leave them at HD I buy most of my windows from a local company , very good windows IMO , heavy frames thick glass . Quick turn around on orders.
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Thanks Randy Bush- We will not use JeldWen. That decision is already made.


I was looking at the Pella Impervia Windows. My builder says they are more but not as pricey as the Anderson 100s. I think Fiberglass would be better than vinly long term correct?


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Thanks Randy Bush- We will not use JeldWen. That decision is already made.


I was looking at the Pella Impervia Windows. My builder says they are more but not as pricey as the Anderson 100s. I think Fiberglass would be better than vinly long term correct?


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The 100s are a Fibrex composite window which allows them to offer dark colors that hold up over the long haul.

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We have aluminum clad Jeld Wen signature series windows. I think that is the line anyway. I donít like them. They infact just sent me 6 warrantied sashes because the cladding basically is falling off. I still have to provide the labor to replace them and paint the interior.
Maybe try looking at Matthews Bros. Windows or I like the Marvin Integrity series windows.


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Thanks - I would not be doing Jeldwen anymore. That was original choice in a vinyl window. Im a bit skeptical on Vinyl ... I just have seen house that are 10-13 years old and the vinyl windows do not look good anymore. Hope these Pella Fiberglass windows are not out of reach... Waiting on estimate.
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I used Pella aluminum clad for years on houses. I have switched to Marvin Integrity (now called Elevate). I am very happy with them. I still use Pella’s vinyl products on my duplexes, but for a house I think the Marvins are really good.
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Hail is pretty hard on aluminum clad windows and replacing sashes in older windows is a pain , been down that road , not again .
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Not a fan of Anderson 100s. lower end mid dollar window but that fibrex crap bends and torks more than vinyl. Hardware and operators seem jenky to me. They also have a plastic trim piece that covers the exterior glazing that likes to move on its own when in direct sun. after time I've had these pieces move more than 18" from where they were originally installed leaving the butt end of the glazing exposed. Cheap price for a recognized name brand but junk in my opinion. Hopefully never install them again. E series seems to be solid although as someone mentioned these are an alum clad wood window. I can't imagine they would do well in hail.

Big fan of Sierra pacific vinyls. Stylish, operate well and still very competitive on pricing for a higher end vinyl.
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I am not a fan of Andersen windows period. I use them only when that is what the customer wants.
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I did get a quote for the windows and basically everything is 100% more than what was budgeted over PlyGem. The Pella Impervia is more than double. Does that seem reasonable ?



I'm staying away from Anderson 100 and I am not going to do wood since I live in an extremely humid place ( South east).


I did look on Kolbe website and saw a line called Glastra. No idea on the price of these I also saw some good reviews on a vinyl line by Windsor.



I would like to spend more and get something better than plygem but I can't seem to find anything else that is not 100% more over the original budget.
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Milgard would be a step up from plygem or Jeldwin. Just go for the midnrange and you will be fine. Add auto locks for a couple bucks and be happy.

That being said, our plygem service in this area is great, as is our Milgard service department.

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Looking at the Milgard..Not available in my area
Have you gone to a local yard and asked if they can order them. The Tuscany line in Milgard is what I have installed and was ok with them.
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Honestly, unless you buy cheap, bottom of the line vinyl windows, you will be fine.

Plygem are good windows. I install a lot of them. Customer service after the sale is good in our area.

The only caveat I have is if you are in a very cold climate. And then as long as the windows have the weatherization rating you want, you are good.

But even then, a proper install is more important than the window itself.

For the most part, a quality vinyl window is quality vinyl window.

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