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Old 11-01-2014, 08:25 PM   #421
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I promise you, if a young person is :

A- not a wuss

B- a hard worker who does his/her job without complaining

They will not have an issue getting a job as a laborer on a crew right now unless they live in a terribly depressed area.

If they :

A- are reasonably intelligent

B- ask questions at the right times and shut up when its not the right time

C- have some ambition and buy tools and read

D- work hard

They will progress quickly. If not with one employer, another would love to have them
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:28 PM   #422
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Again i'll ask why you guys are so hung up on the wage thing?? Never and I mean NEVER did I say anything about that. And Smalltownguy, you play the example so well to what i'm talking about. Old gruff guy, out there me tarzan you jane, my way or i'll piss myself and go back to the adult home and complain about the youngins on my yard. Get over yourself, its pathetic. Myself, I am out there looking, reading, questioning, trying to get all the knowledge I can. I do side jobs, ask a youngster to help you with this new fangled technology called a computer and look at my previous posts and you will see that I wanted to get experience so I came here to the "HOLY" grail of all that's construction and was told to not worry about it. SO I went and got tools, I even asked what ones I should buy to which again I got too bad for you. I did get some good advice which I took and ran with. I have worked side jobs all summer, but while I was doing that I was trying to get on a crew to maybe just maybe learn from those that did it before me.
Old gruff guy?

Even if that wasn't directed at me...

There has been some good advise in this thread.

Yes, you have to read through the sarcasm.

There is another thread a noob started about what carpentry books to read, just recently.

Read that thread!

It's not about the tools or even self proclaimed experience.

It's about taking the knowledge and self confidence to the open market.

Big difference!

It seems, as I read your posts, you're trying to "effort" a short cut.

There isn't one.

Hard work and perseverance pay off.

You haven't made the "jump" in 10 years of work:

Why don't you speak to that instead of blasting veteran members of this forum?

We can help.
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Again i'll ask why you guys are so hung up on the wage thing?? Never and I mean NEVER did I say anything about that. And Smalltownguy, you play the example so well to what i'm talking about. Old gruff guy, out there me tarzan you jane, my way or i'll piss myself and go back to the adult home and complain about the youngins on my yard. Get over yourself, its pathetic. Myself, I am out there looking, reading, questioning, trying to get all the knowledge I can. I do side jobs, ask a youngster to help you with this new fangled technology called a computer and look at my previous posts and you will see that I wanted to get experience so I came here to the "HOLY" grail of all that's construction and was told to not worry about it. SO I went and got tools, I even asked what ones I should buy to which again I got too bad for you. I did get some good advice which I took and ran with. I have worked side jobs all summer, but while I was doing that I was trying to get on a crew to maybe just maybe learn from those that did it before me.
Smalltown is actually a pretty nice straight forward guy.

From him I got information on trade schools, getting insurance, getting a dba, how to look for work without CL, and all I did was send him a PM and ask.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:32 PM   #424
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Aw so it shows that the old guys ARE scared that the young guys are going to take their spot. Its funny I don't even need to give examples, you old guys do it for me. Keep sitting around the coffee maker complaining about how life was in yester-year. You are old, you no longer matter, get outta the way, its because of people like you that don't have the sense to go to the home that no one gets trained. All you should be worried about is who is going to hold your lap blanket while you go to the bathroom 30 times an hour. Wait why are you guys even online, isn't Saturday bingo night at the lodge? Finish your early bird special, pack the car and head south.
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Okay, I apologize for taking things to far. Yes there is great info on this forum, and great people. In my area, Rochester NY, there isn't anyone that will give someone that is hardworking, that asks questions at the right time, puts his head down and works a chance. Its just the facts. Again I have posted on here asking for help because you all say that help can be found here and I get ridiculed. It just seems that you all don't want to give a chance either.
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Aw so it shows that the old guys ARE scared that the young guys are going to take their spot. Its funny I don't even need to give examples, you old guys do it for me. Keep sitting around the coffee maker complaining about how life was in yester-year. You are old, you no longer matter, get outta the way, its because of people like you that don't have the sense to go to the home that no one gets trained. All you should be worried about is who is going to hold your lap blanket while you go to the bathroom 30 times an hour. Wait why are you guys even online, isn't Saturday bingo night at the lodge? Finish your early bird special, pack the car and head south.
No!

Wanna know why "us old guys" won't disseminate info to "you"?

Attitude!

Cool man!

You got it. Run that "big wheel" down the hill, all by yourself!
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SO I went and got tools, I even asked what ones I should buy to which again I got too bad for you.
That didn't happen. I just read that thread. Why are you so intent on badmouthing the advice you're getting on this forum? You did admit to getting good information, and have admitted that in at least a few of the threads you have started. What more do you want from this forum?

Did you see the links I posted regarding vocational training in your area? Obviously I can't speak to the quality of education in any of the programs I linked to, but it does look like there are some options for education in the trades in your area. Whether or not your interested in the programs available is a different issue.
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Aw so it shows that the old guys ARE scared that the young guys are going to take their spot. Its funny I don't even need to give examples, you old guys do it for me. Keep sitting around the coffee maker complaining about how life was in yester-year. You are old, you no longer matter, get outta the way, its because of people like you that don't have the sense to go to the home that no one gets trained. All you should be worried about is who is going to hold your lap blanket while you go to the bathroom 30 times an hour. Wait whniy are you guys even online, isn't Saturday bingo night at the lodge? Finish your early bird special, pack the car and head south.
Im 31. Not an old guy yet.

I went into the trades full time when I was 17, right out of high school. In the 9 1/2 years I worked for other contractors I never went without work. I progressed quickly by doing what I said above, and had to start over with a new boss more than once. Worked every time.

As a contractor the person I described is who I am looking to hire when hiring.
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Okay, I apologize for taking things to far. Yes there is great info on this forum, and great people. In my area, Rochester NY, there isn't anyone that will give someone that is hardworking, that asks questions at the right time, puts his head down and works a chance. Its just the facts. Again I have posted on here asking for help because you all say that help can be found here and I get ridiculed. It just seems that you all don't want to give a chance either.
Not True!

You have to read what was posted earlier and be able to talk about it, without placing blame.
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Smalltown is actually a pretty nice straight forward guy.

From him I got information on trade schools, getting insurance, getting a dba, how to look for work without CL, and all I did was send him a PM and ask.
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APZ:

Check that attitude before you try to join a crew. I went back and read the 5 posts that you started. You got some good advice in all of them. Taking your lumps is part of the learning/maturing process. We have all been through it, and continue to take our lumps from time to time. Good luck.
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And in any case, the Builder article still points out that the average construction salary is not going up.
http://www.builderonline.com/builder...-remain-flat_o

If there were truly a shortage of workers, then wages should go up. They aren't. What's your explanation for that?
the wages are what contractors can afford to pay based on what homeowners are able/willing to pay for the work. you're a general contractor, and you don't know this?
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the wages are what contractors can afford to pay based on what homeowners are able/willing to pay for the work. you're a general contractor, and you don't know this?
That's nonsense
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Im 31. Not an old guy yet. I went into the trades full time when I was 17, right out of high school. In the 9 1/2 years I worked for other contractors I never went without work. I progressed quickly by doing what I said above, and had to start over with a new boss more than once. Worked every time. As a contractor the person I described is who I am looking to hire when hiring.
I'm 31 as well.


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Aw so it shows that the old guys ARE scared that the young guys are going to take their spot. Its funny I don't even need to give examples, you old guys do it for me. Keep sitting around the coffee maker complaining about how life was in yester-year. You are old, you no longer matter, get outta the way, its because of people like you that don't have the sense to go to the home that no one gets trained. All you should be worried about is who is going to hold your lap blanket while you go to the bathroom 30 times an hour. Wait why are you guys even online, isn't Saturday bingo night at the lodge? Finish your early bird special, pack the car and head south.
I'll hire you first thing Monday morning. You won't run that mouth so much I bet. BINGO, gotta go
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the wages are what contractors can afford to pay based on what homeowners are able/willing to pay for the work. you're a general contractor, and you don't know this?
The laws of supply and demand say that when there is a shortage of something relative to the demand for that thing; the cost of it will rise.

It's capitalism 101. You don't know this?


And this thread is about an alleged shortage of tradesmen relative to the demand for them. Yet the cost of tradesmen is not going up.

The premise is faulty.
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I'm 31 as well.




I'll hire you first thing Monday morning. You won't run that mouth so much I bet. BINGO, gotta go
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Smalltown is actually a pretty nice straight forward guy.

From him I got information on trade schools, getting insurance, getting a dba, how to look for work without CL, and all I did was send him a PM and ask.
Yup. For my part, actually had to do a little legwork.

Was happy to. You had then, have now, and some day others will say also "A winner attitude".

I only place bets on winners.

I can spot a winner a mile away because, well you know, I'm a crusty old fart, stinking of pee.
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Oh wow an internet tough guy, wow didn't think i'd see one of those. Bailey keep cleaning the gutters. To you others, tell me other than my piss poor attitude what will make me more "hire-able"?
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Smalltown I hereby say that I am sorry.
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Again tell me what is needed and I will take that and run, if you guys say it works im all about it.

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