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Old 11-13-2008, 12:20 AM   #21
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All the rich Indian people are here in my state.
They're cheap assholes with fake scary statues all over.
sorry
and no i'm not racist.
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Old 11-13-2008, 12:57 AM   #22
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All the rich Indian people are here in my state.
They're cheap assholes with fake scary statues all over.
sorry
and no i'm not racist.

It in no way sounds like you are "Racist", but..........Without exposing too big a ball of wax or opening up too big a can of Worms, we ALL are Bigoted concerning this or that or him or her or them, who EVER the particular they may be according to the individual. It is just how we are.

We compare ourselves to others and find fault in order to revitalize our will to continue what and who we are. It is just who we are.

Even Gandhi, the man who, according to folklore, would sacrifice "comfort" to not injure a lone Cricket, was a Bigot and was VERY demanding! That is a fact!
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The mexican illegals you guys often describe here are basically equivalent to most of the East Indians that live in my area. Only problem is they are usually citizens.

They know how to cheat the system. They build houses out of the nicest materials with cheap indian labour. The BRAND NEW kitchen cabinets will be out of level by 2" per foot. The NICE NEW floating engineered hardwood floors "bubble", stuff isn't finished, the columns supporting the overhang out front covered in nice cultured stone are not plumb or square, the only way to get to your back yard is through the basement suite, and MUCH MUCH more.

New houses that must have just passed inspection have NOTHING done to code. They all only use each other's businesses and have connections amongst themselves in government and inspectors, driving instructors. They get driver's licenses without learning how to drive and their electrical and buildings pass inspection without ever even being seen by an inspector... The worst thing is, they get away with it!

I like to go to a lot of open houses, and I can instantly tell a house that was built by east indians.

They will also scam you any chance they get. My electrical contractor did a cultural/recreation centre or something of the likes and got screwed for $20,000. There are many horror stories amongst contractors...

Drives me nuts... and I'm not racist either, and I know I'm generalizing, but how do you tell the good from the bad? They all seem good until they screw you over. Unfortunately, that's why I just avoid doing business with them altogether.

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Companies use India for technical support and reservation and customer service because they cannot find enough qualified people in the U.S. They speak English well and are probably high school students. The better students do work nights for U.S. engineering firms while not going to high school or college because it works for the time change and the communication is great.

Travel and you will lear a lot!!
Or because it's cheaper?
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My favorite neighborhood store here is owned by Indians. When the former owner of the store who was renting the building was forced out when the Indians bought the building, they did some remodeling and expanding of the building. I had thought of talking to them about painting the block add-on. Since reading about how some of them deal with contractors, I have decided against trying to get any work from them.
Btw, they opened the store with very little stock. They just opened up and added inventory as they went. Didn't take long for them to have one of the busiest stores, if not the busiest store, of that kind around here.
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It is like anything else, the constant is change. Stand around wondering what you should do and it will already be done.
Those that have the ability to implement change on the fly will survive. Hurray for small business, of coarse the changes that are implemented need to be informed ones and not done on a whim.
If the constant is change then the solution is to be the one making the changes, that way you are one step ahead of the game.
Taking my “Q” from some of the earlier posts. One way to stay ahead of the game would be to remove illegible workers from the equation. As a contractor your hands are tied, you can not send them back and reporting them seems to be futile, based on posts on this forum.
If you can not beat them, then join them. Hire from this untapped work force. It is written in this forum that the illegal workers, work for less and are available by the thousands. Assist them in getting their green cards and put them to work. I am not suggesting this work force be taken advantage of. Only that the underground economy be controlled. Complaining about it does nothing, controlling it puts a stop to those who do take advantage of the illegal’s. My god, everyone is pink inside, and you need to be involved to make the changes required to survive, even a level as small as a one man show and his two sombreroed, or mukluked helpers. Let’s face it; the first groups of migrants that are being called illegals are called native for a reason.
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Time for Change... Change for A Time.
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What makes you think there are enough people in the U.S. with enough technical knowledge to do that kind of work?

The Indians that do that work do it part time while going to school and because of the time difference they can schedule work.

They are probably paid less per hour, but there is still a shortage (even in India) because there are better ways to make money in India. Can you actually imagine a U.S. high schooler being willing and able to do that kind of work? In India, the school hours are much longer, there are no "fluff" classes and there is homework (hours) every night, but many still find time to work part time to help you configure your computer/printer when you have a problem. Prior to 2000, with all the concerns for the possible conversion problems, virtually every software company relied on the Indians (many buildings with thousands of computers in Bangalore) to rewrite and test programs. You often are thankful for the assistance and do not realize that they are Indian because India was well organised by the British and the common language is English. - That is the only way Indians can always communicate with someone from another area.

In India, education is much more important than in the U.S. - That is why the U.S. ranks #15 in education in the world.

Many people only look at the Indians that legally immigrate without looking at the country. Some of those look at it just like the illegals that correctly recognize that the U.S. is an easy way to make money because of the low standards in the U.S. - You should worry if the really talented Indians decided to come to the U.S.

As far as foreign groups bending the laws, that is just the fault and problem with the local people that sit back and do not get involved other than complaining. Just make sure you know the difference between Indians and Pakistanis, because they have a different heritage and way of doing things.
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What makes you think there are enough people in the U.S. with enough technical knowledge to do that kind of work?

The Indians that do that work do it part time while going to school and because of the time difference they can schedule work.

They are probably paid less per hour, but there is still a shortage (even in India) because there are better ways to make money in India. Can you actually imagine a U.S. high schooler being willing and able to do that kind of work? In India, the school hours are much longer, there are no "fluff" classes and there is homework (hours) every night, but many still find time to work part time to help you configure your computer/printer when you have a problem. Prior to 2000, with all the concerns for the possible conversion problems, virtually every software company relied on the Indians (many buildings with thousands of computers in Bangalore) to rewrite and test programs. You often are thankful for the assistance and do not realize that they are Indian because India was well organised by the British and the common language is English. - That is the only way Indians can always communicate with someone from another area.

In India, education is much more important than in the U.S. - That is why the U.S. ranks #15 in education in the world.

Many people only look at the Indians that legally immigrate without looking at the country. Some of those look at it just like the illegals that correctly recognize that the U.S. is an easy way to make money because of the low standards in the U.S. - You should worry if the really talented Indians decided to come to the U.S.

As far as foreign groups bending the laws, that is just the fault and problem with the local people that sit back and do not get involved other than complaining. Just make sure you know the difference between Indians and Pakistanis, because they have a different heritage and way of doing things.
I have an argument that works.........Amex/Visa/Amazon and a Boat Load of Non Tech call centers are in India. It IS about the Money!

Not saying that the Techies are not as you have described, but it does come down to the Bottom Line. As it ALWAYS, unfortunately does!

I personally have problems with the Techies. They are SO well trained that they do not deviate from Protocol and their Diagnostic Script.

Call one and explain what you have already done to diagnose and they ALWAYS start at the beginning. Smart way of working, but a PITA! They are also very ROBOTIC. Lacking personality and any sort of side conversation. So focused that they will interrupt any sort of non-script talk.

But they nearly ALWAYS solve the problem.
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Just make sure you know the difference between Indians and Pakistanis, because they have a different heritage and way of doing things.
Yes! There is a difference. One will cut your throat while telling you he is doing it. The other will do it coyly!
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Just make sure you know the difference between Indians and Pakistanis...
You tell me:
These are the "carpenters":


And these are the real estate agents:


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Picture 1 Pakistanis. Moslems. (97%)

Picture 2 & 3 Indians. Hindu (80%).
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Here's one Indian accent joke:


"Hi, I am Erika" = “Haai, Ayam Yerika.”

"Huh, are you America?"

"No Maa'm !... Ayam.. ayam.. Yerika!!.. Dammit!!"
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I appologize for getting off the original post from the woodsman.

The last post by kung foo (being polite and not sounding out his contractor name) really was very stupid, to be polite. A selected group of photos with no identification is a stupid typical gutter trash job!!! - I guess the posters name gives you a hint as to the intellegence and business sense.

MALCO's point are good. The call receivers are well trained and do their job professionally, which is their tradition and moral responsibility. Indians are very, very moral and you can drop a billfold on a sidewalk and it will sit there for many hours longer than anywhere in the world. After a reasonable amount of time (many hours or days), it will be gone because it was abandoned. - This could not happen in the U.S.

The direction from the people controlling the customer services are responsible for the actions, since to Indians, they are just doing what is required and it just a part-time job and not a career.

I always felt safe taking a trip to India from Amsterdam on KLM because the plane was a 747 combi (part cargo and part passengers). The joke was that the cargo was supposedly diamonds going to India to be cut by artisans and no one would mess with the security. If you ever saw the pefection and perfect symetry of the inlaid gems in the exterior of the Taj Mahal (500 years old), you would understand the Indian desire for excelling.

The first time I went to India (out of 10 trips) the advice I got was the same as what I got before going to Russia - If it does not seem to make sense it must be true!

The difference is that in Russia, it does not make sense because of the recent history, while in India, if you think a little it makes sense since the country has been around much longer and is more advanced and educated in the real world and not isolated. Times and the internet are changing that.

People/kids in the U.S. cannot begin to help on line like better educated people elsewhere.

MALCO - I had the difference explained to me by an Indian. - One is a shopkeeper that will take what he can get quickly and the other is "clever" and will take everything he can by using planning and situations over time.

We may owe the Chinese more than we owe India, but the Congress ultimately has the term influence. The approaches are different, but the emphasis on education and economics is definitely not not the "Bull in the Woods" or if if it does not work, use a bigger hammer approach. China looks toward the U.S. and India looks toward the world, while we put our local politics/"news" on CNN/Larry King and Saturday Night Live or Entertainment Tonight.

All of this points to the local, provincial view of day-to-day operations without looking anywhere else for perspective.
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MALCO - I had the difference explained to me by an Indian. - One is a shopkeeper that will take what he can get quickly and the other is "clever" and will take everything he can by using planning and situations over time.
"Sweeter" words for the same sentiment!

And I thank you for your kind words concerning my views and experience.
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A selected group of photos with no identification is a stupid typical gutter trash job!!!
What's wrong with posting photos? That is exactly what a carpenter crew looks like and what any real estate agent here looks like.

Next time I go to an open house do you want me to take a photo of the real estate agent? Or does seeing a photo of someone wearing a turban offend you in some way?
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What's wrong with the login name I've used since High School? I was a Kung Fu student for years.

Anyway, I've changed my name to something that makes sense...

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