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Old 04-30-2016, 12:29 AM   #21
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well it appears to have petered out
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Old 04-30-2016, 12:31 AM   #22
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. Besides, how much in tools do you need to be a tile guy?
I have about $35K in tools for tile.
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I have about $35K in tools for tile.
So, evidently you have $34,500 in excess...
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Old 04-30-2016, 02:34 AM   #24
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At least according to this group. Who needs layout, mixing, cutting, shaping, grinding, setting and grouting. After all: Painters only need a Brush, Carpenters a Hammer, Roofers a ladder, and Excavators a Shovel.
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Old 04-30-2016, 09:38 AM   #25
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I just don't think that guy had 5000 dollars worth of tools in his truck .
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I just don't think that guy had 5000 dollars worth of tools in his truck .
Well, he's going to now.
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Good point . people are something else man .
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I just don't think that guy had 5000 dollars worth of tools in his truck .
I went onto Home depots website and just added in everything that I could think of for tiling.

Not a tile expert by any means, but the cart is at $1271 and I know that I've only covered the basics.

There's got to be things that people would have that aren't necessary but make life easier.
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Old 04-30-2016, 10:26 AM   #29
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I 've been doing tile for upwards of 20 years,and tile is fairly affordable to get into if you watch what you buy and where . A wet saw is more essential than ever with today's large, hard porcelain tile .
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I don't know what it's like for other trades but when all of my stuff got stolen, I went out and bought a $30 drill, a screwdriver, and a pair of wire cutters and I was back in business. In fact, I would guess that MOST trades can replenish their tools with a down payment on the next project.

5 grand is a nice chunk of change to replenish lost tools but it isn't enough to make or break a tile guy. On the next job, use your down payment to buy a couple of trowels. Lay all of your full tiles and then when you get your next draw, get a cutter and a grinder do the rest. Then take another draw right before you start grouting.

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I like the way he thinks . The helping hand you need is at the end of your own arm.

And another thing , if this guy is so busy he needs his tools so bad, he s got cash flow .

Do any of you give Wal Mart money when their air conditioning breaks ?

Most successful businesses can sustain themselves .

I got hit for $8000 real value by a guy working for me who cleaned out my shop ....it annoyed me, but it didn't kill me .

Some of the tools he stole I didn't use frequently , and some we duplicates.

Go fund me? No, go to work.
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Gofundme is so abused....an emotional shakedown. "He wanted to cry." Gimme a break.
Olympic skater and former doctor Debi Thomas has a gofundme page.
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Seems odd that he didn't submit it to insurance...
seems like a handyman/tinkerer/cobbler. From the looks of it,what he does could be done with a few hundred in tools.
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I don't know where I fall on this after thinking about it. If he is an unlicensed "sub", which is illegal in Oregon, then I think he is full of crap and needs to be smacked by the CCB. I have very little patience with those guys anymore.

If he was just a guy working for someone, or different contractors, then it is a bummer.

It was just how the whole thing is worded. He finally got his tools so he could work at getting his license? You don't need tools to get your license. He did inexpensive but quality work for people? Um, does that mean he was underpaid by other contractors who had him covered by WC? Or did he do every job for under the 600 dollar cap the State allows?

Something fishy, but I'm not sure what it is. Also, most guys who are just starting out, don't have 5,000 dollars in tools, for a trade that you can honestly do with maybe 6 or 7 hundred worth, or less. Just like Ted said, you can get by with a lot less than you normally do.

I don't doubt his tools got stolen, but he may be exaggerating the amount just a bit.
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I just don't think that guy had 5000 dollars worth of tools in his truck .
As a framer, I carried the basics:

(2) Hitachi framing guns = $300 each
(1) Hitachi strap nailer = $300
(1) Hitachi Coil siding gun = $350
(1) air compressor = $300
(4) 100' hoses = $50 each
(4) 100' 12 AWG extension cords = $75 ea
(1) worm-drive saw = $175
(1) sidewinder = $135
(1) SCMS = $550 + stand $200
(1) table saw = $500
(2) sawzalls = $200 ea
(1) Plunge Router = $150
(1) cordless drill/driver kit = $200
(1) " drive impact driver = $175
(1) Bosch Bulldog SDS Hammer drill = $200
(1) PLS laser = $700
(1) transit = $250
(1) plate level = $200
(1) 8' ladder A frame $150 (the heavy dude rated)
(1) extension ladder = $200
(1) Stiletto 15" TiBone hammer = $180
(1) hand tools (squares, wrenches, chisels, pliers, pry bars etc) = $600

And this is just off the top of my head from back in the day.

Total in the truck = $6815

I'm sure glad I never had anything stolen.....but as a framer I am always in visible sight of my truck.

If the guy is an unlicensed hack AND then he's trying to scam people....that really sucks. People like that really do damage to ALL contractors. That's what fuels people like the Mike Holmes movement (even he is a scam artist at some things)
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If he is an unlicensed "sub"
Look at his "works" page. He takes junk and "repurposes" it into something maybe someone will give him money for, mostly leftover sheet from a surplus store probably put down on a piece of plywood for a 'table'. His only "tile" picture looks like he's putting lipstick on wall around a green splash tub of some sorts.

All the tilework he has up on his facebook page could be done with a grinder and maybe a cheap home depot snap cutter. Look at the picture of him hammering--look at his hammer. Look behind him. Look all around him.

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Another thought--if he is a "tile guy" call shops and stores to see if they are hiring experienced people.
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Look at his "works" page. He takes junk and "repurposes" it into something maybe someone will give him money for, mostly leftover sheet from a surplus store probably put down on a piece of plywood for a 'table'. His only "tile" picture looks like he's putting lipstick on wall around a green splash tub of some sorts.

All the tilework he has up on his facebook page could be done with a grinder and maybe a cheap home depot snap cutter. Look at the picture of him hammering--look at his hammer. Look behind him. Look all around him.
Yes, but grandpa's hammer is worth more...


I don't know.... the more I read and how people are responding and the more I looked at his work, is he a guy down on his luck, a scammer or a marketing genius?... or maybe a little of each...

Not only did he get free publicity on two TV stations, but the money, tools, offers of work and people wanting to buy his tables... and how many have clicked on to his FB page than would have before?

Also, the first line about setting up the page was two-fold...


"I have set this page up to help us get back on our feet AND to help us rebuild some much needed tools that were stolen. "
Interesting that the tools weren't first... eh, maybe he was just a guy down on his luck and some people decided to help him in one way or another...

Be interesting to see if he was able to parlay it into a functioning business long-term...
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And another thing , if this guy is so busy he needs his tools so bad, he s got cash flow
That's an excellent point! I didn't even think of it that way. I mean who wouldn't give a guy a few bucks in advanced to help him get started on one of your projects. I certainly would if a sub came to me and told me that he got robbed.
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Truth is there are some losers out there . I don't know his whole story, don't want to, but I'm not seeing an impressive picture.
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As a trim/finish carpenter, I can have $5k worth of tools in my truck, but it is an enclosed SUV. Someone could smash the window and take it while I'm in HD picking up materials, but I'd never leave it out in the open.

I could see insurance "playing games" and threatening not to cover it if it wasn't stolen from my house, shop, or jobsite I'm working on. If I run and meet my wife for lunch and it's stolen there, I guess they could argue it technically wouldn't fall under my business or homeowner's insurance.

I've been doing tile work as well lately, and it required about $500 worth of "tile tools", over half of which was a saw.

IMO, "go fund me's" shouldn't be able to be set up by the person who needs the help, or their spouse/significant other. If someone wants to help his brother get a new truck because it died and he's been paying for his kid's medical expenses, and people want to donate voluntarily, whatever.

It does bother me that it has just become a solution for a lack of responsibility rather than "help in extreme circumstances."

Side note: I do find it the lowest form of thief to steal tools from a working man because you're too lazy to work yourself....

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