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Old 01-22-2019, 10:42 AM   #1
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Hey all, this might seem like an odd question. I work for a small firm. A few years ago the farther of one of our crew bought in the company and “son” instantly got a supervisor position. Up until this our entire crew was very close knit, beers every weekend, bbq’s after work fridays, fishing, hunting, just like any small crew should be. Anyways, this guy turned into a complete dick, over night, his father ended up leaving the company, and the supervisor role was kept, as was the attitude. Now first let me say I have no problem taking orders from co-workers that are also my friends, when they are qualified. This guy bitches when you take the time to do a good job on say some finish work, he constantly tries to rush every job, he will show up on sites that he isn’t over seeing, tells everyone they are doing everything wrong, when he spend 90% of his day talking to head electrician about hunting and sitting in his pick up smoking. We lost 3/4 of our crew because of him and his father being part of the team, however he is still kept on and we have reason to believe that there was a secret “contract” between our owner and this guys dad. Our labourers have walked off site because of this guy more than once, he tells me that going to get my ticket is a waste of time, he brings animosity to any site, there’s anxiety and unhappiness anytime he’s around . I’ve tried to talk to my boss but if falls on deaf ears. Does anyone have any advice that doesn’t involve “suck it up”? I can’t leave the money but 5 years of this **** is starting to take its toll. Thanks for your time!
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:04 AM   #2
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Wow, I donít know if I could handle five years of that.

Have an exit strategy.


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Qualified construction workers are in high demand most places. Don't know about yours. "Canada" is a big place.


Start looking around.


What happened between the owner, the "father", and the "son", really doesn't matter. It's above your pay grade.

The only thing that matters is if you want to work for them, and do what they want you to do. If not, get out.
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Look for someplace else to work.
I would also add that getting too close to coworkers and spending too much off the clock time with them can result in lots of problems.
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Hey all, this might seem like an odd question. I work for a small firm. A few years ago the farther of one of our crew bought in the company and “son” instantly got a supervisor position. Up until this our entire crew was very close knit, beers every weekend, bbq’s after work fridays, fishing, hunting, just like any small crew should be. Anyways, this guy turned into a complete dick, over night, his father ended up leaving the company, and the supervisor role was kept, as was the attitude. Now first let me say I have no problem taking orders from co-workers that are also my friends, when they are qualified. This guy bitches when you take the time to do a good job on say some finish work, he constantly tries to rush every job, he will show up on sites that he isn’t over seeing, tells everyone they are doing everything wrong, when he spend 90% of his day talking to head electrician about hunting and sitting in his pick up smoking. We lost 3/4 of our crew because of him and his father being part of the team, however he is still kept on and we have reason to believe that there was a secret “contract” between our owner and this guys dad. Our labourers have walked off site because of this guy more than once, he tells me that going to get my ticket is a waste of time, he brings animosity to any site, there’s anxiety and unhappiness anytime he’s around . I’ve tried to talk to my boss but if falls on deaf ears. Does anyone have any advice that doesn’t involve “suck it up”? I can’t leave the money but 5 years of this **** is starting to take its toll. Thanks for your time!
Think of it from this angle... if nothing is going to change (as it seems likely being your concerns are falling upon deaf ears), is this something YOU want to put up with for another five years OR do you begin contacting the guys you had a relationship with and BBQ'd and drank beers and find out where they landed after they left of if they are aware of any opportunities out there?...

After five years, the message should have gotten through to you that things aren't going to change in the way you wished it would... and in reality, why should it? You've already demonstrated that you're willing to put up with it for years...

Might be time to find a new crew (or rejoin one from the old) and/or create your own path... just be sure you have the new gig lined up before dumping the current one...
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Does anyone have any advice that doesnít involve ďsuck it upĒ? I canít leave the money but 5 years of this **** is starting to take its toll.
If you truly can't leave the money, then you have no choice but to suck it up. The good pay ought to at least help with the ulcer treatments.

If it's really that bad, walk. Like some of your ex-coworkers did. If you're at all competent, you'll survive.

Have to ask though... Five plus years in the trade and you haven't gotten or at least started the process of getting your ticket? Why not?
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I am currently waiting to go to school for my 3rd year.
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I am currently waiting to go to school for my 3rd year.
What? What are you going to school for?
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I am currently waiting to go to school for my 3rd year.


What trade are you in? Enough hours to do the levels back to back and find a new job while youíre in school?


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Welcome to the real world, suck it up or leave but don't expect beers and bbq's wherever you go.
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My experience is if you don't enjoy your job it probably won't get better. Get your ticket, quit your job and start your own company. That's what I did anyways lol.
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Welcome to the real world, suck it up or leave but don't expect beers and bbq's wherever you go.
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS......

life is too fvcking short and full of other miseries to put up with a miserable job.

you are evidently happy in your situation....

when i worked for a living, beer & bbq's made life better for all involved....

as avenge said just don't expect it....

but it was one of the reasons how i could produce a crew and subs fast...
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I've been known to grill burgers and hotdogs on site. Free lunch for everyone everyday.

Keeps everyone on site, and none of the subs come back late from lunch.
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I never said I expected that, I said that’s how tight knit our crew was. I was merely asking for some advice not some ****y comment.
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I never said I expected that, I said thatís how tight knit our crew was. I was merely asking for some advice not some ****y comment.
So...

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Here's a thought.

Have a man-to-man, intelligent and composed meeting with the guy causing the problems...not his boss. Set up in advance a lunch meeting with him so he doesn't feel overwhelmed and threatened. Have a short list of notes ready of things you'd like to discuss.

From my experience, if you come across as someone just telling him..."you suck", it's not going to get you very far except maybe the door.

Try to use a little psychology. Sounds like he may be on a power trip of being in charge.
Maybe....maybe...if you can approach him in a way of making him aware of some of the problems without directly placing blame on him...he will start to look for answers himself, making him look like a star.

I've always tried to go to the source. Going behind or around someone can make it look like a conspiracy...not good.

Throw a BBQ...invite all the guys....maybe it will jog his memory about how things used to be.

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I never said I expected that, I said thatís how tight knit our crew was. I was merely asking for some advice not some ****y comment.
Quit and go on welfare, youíll be much happier.
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Thanks for everyone’s professional responses. There’s a few of you.
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Based on the OP's description, it sounds like "dad" bought his kid a job. The kid doesn't have the skills or knowledge to go out and get a job on his own. The kid sounds like a spoiled brat who knows he can't get fired.

This is not the first time I have seen someone buy into a company and then have their offspring get management jobs in that company. I have seen this happen way too many times with small firms all the way up to multi-million dollar corporations.

Virtually every time, all the good people quit, the company loses money, and, one of two things happen: the company goes under or get's bought up by a competitor, OR, new ownership comes in and fires the kid (s). However, usually, by the time the kid(s) get fired, it's too late.

Change happens all the time, you have two choices: adapt to it, or, leave and go to a place where you are better suited. In this OP's case, I would get out before the ship sinks any further.

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