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Old 01-12-2019, 03:06 PM   #1
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A "Train The Next Generation" Section??


I've been thinking about this....

...There's a lot of really knowledgable folks on this site, with decades of accumulated knowledge. I'm been thinking of ways to put it to even more use, as less and less young folks want to enter the trades.

Would ContractorTalk be interested in having a section where members could post short articles and/or training videos, aimed at up and coming trades people?

Journal of Light Construction has a feature in each issue called "Train the Trades", sort of like what I'm thinking of. But we could post pictures and video.

Some ideas I had would be window flashing and installation details, or waterproof shower surrounds using the different systems (RedGuard, Schluter, etc.,) everything from concrete finishing techniques, to skim-coating drywall.

Building forms, setting trusses, wiring panels, whatever.

Paul Peck could post his great videos here.

CT would have the opportunity to drive a lot of construction-related traffic to the site, and could become a sort of go-to place for this sort of thing.


Maybe CT could get a sponsor for it, so whoever posts a valuable instruction video, gets a tool voucher from say....Milwaukee.


And then the other members could rip it apart, and say why the instructor is actually a hack.


Kidding about the last part.

Is this something CT might be interested in?
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:16 PM   #2
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Re: A "Train The Next Generation" Section??


I like the idea... We tried it over at the Be The Pro forum for a bit, remember?
I think it fizzled out fast because the conversation began to get cluttered up with off topic stuff.

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To someone who wants to learn there is already more great information available than ever before. If we wanted to do something it should be based around rebranding what it is to work in the trades. Getting people interested is the hard part.
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:37 PM   #4
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Re: A "Train The Next Generation" Section??


At first glance it seems like a great idea; lord knows we need to encourage the youngsters.

But upon reflection, that would be a pretty radical shift in the focus of this site, which has always been that it's for professional contractors--IOW, for those who are already plying the trades, not learning them from the ground up.

Tips and tricks are great, and we share a wealth of them here. But IMO full-blown tutorials would get more traffic on the DIY forum and/or YouTube.
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:54 PM   #5
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Re: A "Train The Next Generation" Section??


what grand pa said...

plus i think it would become a pissing match between guys as to how they do different trades in different locations.

codes, accepted practices, etc, etc, etc.....
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everything from concrete finishing techniques, to skim-coating drywall.

Building forms, setting trusses, wiring panels, whatever.
... knowing how to strip wire, what will kill you what won't, proper way to get the nuts twisted ..... ALL WAYYYYY Before that please.
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hell ,
who would listen

most don`t know how to use the claw of the hammer to its fullest extent.
how to cut a straight line on drywall with just a tape measure, and knife
how to clean a brush properly.
how to use a miter saw for more than a 45 degree angle.
how to free-hand router out a hinge cut out .
how to sprinkle water on a floor before you sweep a real dusty floor to keep the dust down.
how not to fill a trash bag up to the top , and make it practical to pick up.
make a material list for tomorrow .



a lot of guys don`t listen like they used to .
too much arrogance , and ego .
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:36 PM   #8
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how bout this one !!( oh oh. the portly guys on a role!)

quit with respect or dignity

the last guys who quit did it with no notice.
guy worked with me for 6 years . went to spain for vacation .
came back , and said " my wife said i should quit because of my bad back"
totally understood , but he gave not one days notice.

next one worked for a week , and never came back

next one . educated guy ,masters degree in teaching , was a principle , and hated it.
so he came back to what he learned from his parents , remodeling.
we worked great for 5 weeks.real good , better than me on alot of things .
week before christmas, he said he had to help his dad on a project ( dad is 75 ) i understood.
after a few days , he said he had to help dad all week long
ok , i get it .
after that, he never answered my calls or texts .
and we got along great
i was paying him what he wanted.
i gave him all the work he wanted , and even side jobs to make better money.

what gives ??
i was always taught , " don`t ever close a door with someone. leave on good terms "
most times when i let a guy go , i do it where we still stay i touch
i do`t do the " f**k you " thing.

but have that respect back
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It's on youtube already. Anybody can do this stuff.
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hell ,
who would listen

most don`t know how to use the claw of the hammer to its fullest extent.
how to cut a straight line on drywall with just a tape measure, and knife
how to clean a brush properly.
how to use a miter saw for more than a 45 degree angle.
how to free-hand router out a hinge cut out .
how to sprinkle water on a floor before you sweep a real dusty floor to keep the dust down.
how not to fill a trash bag up to the top , and make it practical to pick up.
make a material list for tomorrow .



a lot of guys don`t listen like they used to .
too much arrogance , and ego .
But it sounds like you got it figured out...
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what grand pa said...
plus i think it would become a pissing match between guys as to how they do different trades in different locations.

codes, accepted practices, etc, etc, etc.....
Sidewinder vs worm drive comes to mind.

Paper vs mesh

Caulk corners vs grouted corners

On second thought, this could be a lot of fun
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hell ,
who would listen

most don`t know how to use the claw of the hammer to its fullest extent.
how to cut a straight line on drywall with just a tape measure, and knife
how to clean a brush properly.
how to use a miter saw for more than a 45 degree angle.
how to free-hand router out a hinge cut out .
how to sprinkle water on a floor before you sweep a real dusty floor to keep the dust down.
how not to fill a trash bag up to the top , and make it practical to pick up.
make a material list for tomorrow .



a lot of guys don`t listen like they used to .
too much arrogance , and ego .
supposed to clean brushes???...
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:21 AM   #13
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Re: A "Train The Next Generation" Section??


Unless you own your own company or work union, there is no career in the building trades. Guys bitching about not finding good help are paying crap wages and no bennies.

When you want your daughter to marry the guy you just hired, because he has a career with a future, the labor problem in this industry will be over. Not until.

Training, schmaining. The lack of social status of the trades is much more difficult to overcome.
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Unless you own your own company or work union, there is no career in the building trades. Guys bitching about not finding good help are paying crap wages and no bennies.



When you want your daughter to marry the guy you just hired, because he has a career with a future, the labor problem in this industry will be over. Not until.



Training, schmaining. The lack of social status of the trades is much more difficult to overcome.
What the fvck as if I agreed with something Kowboy posted.


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Unless you own your own company or work union, there is no career in the building trades. Guys bitching about not finding good help are paying crap wages and no bennies.

When you want your daughter to marry the guy you just hired, because he has a career with a future, the labor problem in this industry will be over. Not until.

Training, schmaining. The lack of social status of the trades is much more difficult to overcome.
Very well said. As I made my comment about rebranding what is it to be in the trades and getting people interested I had a second thought that you captured very well.

It is more of a restructuring than rebranding. Even if the pay and benefits for an employee match that of an office worker, salesperson, or an educator, there are still obstacles.

The wear and tear on the body, sun exposure, working in the eliminate, dust and other hazards. There is also sometimes a lack of consistency in scheduling. Its really a difficult industry to thrive in as an employee. I don't know very many people who have worked a career in the trades as an employee and come out the other side to enjoy a nice retirement with good health and stable finances. A few union guys did ok financially but had some serious joint issues. Thats about it. Being the owner is really the way to go at this point.

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