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Old 03-31-2012, 07:59 AM   #101
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I don't know how it got here all of you guys just jumped on me but initially my point was---If you are the boss and demand from your employees good work ethic you can't brag how you can fudge around during working while your guys are making you money, it's just plain wrong attitude and it's gonna lead to disaster.
There is always something to do especially if you are the owner.
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So the owner isn't supposed to have any free time? Why do employees get to go home after 8 hours and do what they want and owners don't?

I bet none of my employees were in the office at 5:30 this morning scheduling this coming week. (I can tell you they won't because I was the only one in there)

There are also days where they get done at 4 and I don't get home until 8:30. I get you're thinking because it's how I used to think until starting my own gig.

The 4 days I spent on the job while having all calls forwarded to my salesman were the easiest 4 days I've had since starting up. When you look around at the successful companies (the ones with nice equipment, steady work, shops, secure financials) do you see the owner involved in the everyday production work? I know I don't here.

Now the above is not what some guys want but it's my plan so I know I can't be on a roof or siding job everyday and expect to have steady work. That's why so many guys don't make it.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:11 AM   #102
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Ill be 29 next week.

Networking my ass off has been the biggest thing, imo. I'm not nearly where I want to be business wise, and income wise. My dad is a superb builder/remodeler, but has never networked. The business is 6 years old. In the last year we've tripled our annual revenue, a lot which can be attributed to networking. Unfortunately, this could unravel at any time. Our plan is network, branding and brand definition, proffesional rates, and keeping overhead low while we remain versatile and hope the economy keeps going good for us here. The economy still sucks here, but we have been fortunate fir the most part.
Ill be 29 on the 20th. Thats right warner, 4/20.
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Ill be 29 on the 20th. Thats right warner, 4/20.
It also surprises me that your 28.
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So the owner isn't supposed to have any free time? Why do employees get to go home after 8 hours and do what they want and owners don't?

I bet none of my employees were in the office at 5:30 this morning scheduling this coming week. (I can tell you they won't because I was the only one in there)

There are also days where they get done at 4 and I don't get home until 8:30. I get you're thinking because it's how I used to think until starting my own gig.

The 4 days I spent on the job while having all calls forwarded to my salesman were the easiest 4 days I've had since starting up. When you look around at the successful companies (the ones with nice equipment, steady work, shops, secure financials) do you see the owner involved in the everyday production work? I know I don't here.

Now the above is not what some guys want but it's my plan so I know I can't be on a roof or siding job everyday and expect to have steady work. That's why so many guys don't make it.
I got my own gig. I demand from my guys good work ethic and that's exactly what I must practice myself as the business owner.

You bragged how you can slack while others are making you money because you are the owner and it's just plain inappropriate for an owner. Is it that hard to grasp?
Complaining much about work?Do you like getting paid better than any of your employees?
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I got my own gig. I demand from my guys good work ethic and that's exactly what I must practice myself as the business owner.

You bragged how you can slack while others are making you money because you are the owner and it's just plain inappropriate for an owner. Is it that hard to grasp?
Complaining much about work?Do you like getting paid better than any of your employees?

Your way off base bud. However you feel about your own business, any business owner can do whatever he can get away with.

I had a boss who NEVER worked more than four hours a day. EVER. He owned a trim company. Used to rub our noses in the fact he was golfing, or fishing, boating or just relaxing that afternoon. Many days he never came in. He was maybe 30, couldnt carpenter at all for all i know. He made a very good living, now he makes an even better living, has twice as many employees and charges higher rates. He does whatever he wants too. He has unbelievable contacts and is good at talking to HOs. Builders he works for love him. He is a typical Austinite, flipflops everyday. I have never liked the douche bag, but i liked that steady check and the rate he paid me, when i worked for him. I personally would never be like that even if i could, just not my style.

I have never had a boss , other than my dad when i worked for him who was a hard worker. Boss meaning owner. I worked for a builder who never worked Fridays and took 3 week vacations all the time. He was the biggest influence on me other my dad, and he is a superb business man. None of his guys liked him, but i dont think he cared. He is wealthy now, still operates the same way, and has a great reputation.

My life long goal was to have my name on my pick up and be a builder, now thats a reality. I love being a builder, and i wake up every day and tell myself if you want to keep it, its going to take work. I personally want the respect of my guys, and expect to have to earn it, just as they have to earn mine. Doesnt mean i have to be that way though.

If an employee has issues with his boss not being a worker, let him start his own thing. Most guys who bitch and whine are just that though, bitchs and whiners. Always someone elses fault they dont have what they want.
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it's really best to work piece work for someone who absolutely has no idea what what he's talking about
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Holy employee mentality Batman

Dimitry just because you believe you have to outwork your employees for their respect, doesnt mean those of us who choose work on the business side of things are lazy and taking advantage of our employees.

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I am sitting here in the office right now, being a bitch and playing around on the internet while my truck is hooked to my dump trailer , waiting to be filled with more pea gravel to finish that big azz french drain. Any of my other bosses would wait until Monday and have a hand do it. I scheduled it to be done this week, so i will finish it today. Maybe im dumb, but i not so secretly hold most, not all, of my previous bosses in contempt. But i GURANTEE none of those guys are doing a french drain today. All depends on what YOU want. Its your business.

The thought that i could un hook my pick up and go take the weekend off , or all next week if i want, is awesome to me. I may not do it, but the thought that i could is nice, and part of the reason i do this. The other being that remodeling and building homes and boat docks is all i know how to do, and all i have ever enjoyed.
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Holy employee mentality Batman
Now i get it
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I dont get it
not directed at you.
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Holy employee mentality Batman

Dimitry just because you believe you have to outwork your employees for their respect, doesnt mean those of us who choose work on the business side of things are lazy and taking advantage of our employees.
It's not what I implied I believe you just have to have right attitude ,reasons and influence on your company atmosphere. That's why I pointed out its not good to SAY things like: ...I'll try not to do any physical work unless I really have to or ...my job takes only 20 hours the rest of the time I spend on the golf course while my guys are making me money.

I personally don't have three framing crews I have to manage and give work to we are small operation unit, otherwise I would be cruising between jobs all day long.
But there is noo waay I would ever give an idea to my guys that while they were working hard to complete a project I was taking a nap because I am the BOSS here and I CAN!!!


I really hope you get my point.
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I got my own gig. I demand from my guys good work ethic and that's exactly what I must practice myself as the business owner.

You bragged how you can slack while others are making you money because you are the owner and it's just plain inappropriate for an owner. Is it that hard to grasp?
Complaining much about work?Do you like getting paid better than any of your employees?

I don't remember making any posts where I "bragged" that I can slack while others are making me money. I remember saying I spent a few minutes on CT in between appointments and it got you all upset that me, as the owner, actually has a half hour between appointments of time to kill. In your mind, I should've rushed over to the job, put on my tool belt for 15 minutes and then left for the next appointment.

I also don't remember a single complaint about work. It is the path I choose and so far it has treated me nicely. You are the one saying that an owner who isn't on the job every day has no respect of his employees. I know that my employees respect what I do. I also know that my job is much more difficult mentally and emotionally than the employees and that if I get a free hour during the day, I can do whatever I want. I've been in the office for the past 4 hours and am taking a little break because my head hurts from the numbers, should I not respect my employees because I know they are all not working?

As far as pay, I would hope that I get paid more than them so yes, of course I like it. That is the risk I decided to take. My question to you is do you pay yourself as an employee when working on the job or do you consider your wage to be part of the profit of the job?

Here is my take on things. The guys have a solid 5 weeks worth of work lined up when the average job takes at absolute most three days. A lot of this work is contributed to the HomeShow I worked for 50 hours over a 4 day period (including set up and take down) while my guys were doing who knows what. I did my part of the job and continue to do so. Now, their part of the job is to get the work done. It is a mutual respect. They respect having steady work and I respect their work ethics and how they get it done.
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a 2 o'clock nap is just what the dr. ordered
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It's not what I implied I believe you just have to have right attitude ,reasons and influence on your company atmosphere. That's why I pointed out its not good to SAY things like: ...I'll try not to do any physical work unless I really have to or ...my job takes only 20 hours the rest of the time I spend on the golf course while my guys are making me money.

I personally don't have three framing crews I have to manage and give work to we are small operation unit, otherwise I would be cruising between jobs all day long.
But there is noo waay I would ever give an idea to my guys that while they were working hard to complete a project I was taking a nap because I am the BOSS here and I CAN!!!


I really hope you get my point.
I get it, just saying everyone does things different. My old man hasn't done physical work in a long time, he does the business side full time, and works hard at it. I'm sure ill be there eventually, like it or not.
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Bambam,

I don't know how we got to such a heated argument))) may be some misunderstanding on my/your side.

I don't want to fight, just constructive dialogue)
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Bambam,

I don't know how we got to such a heated argument))) may be some misunderstanding on my/your side.

I don't want to fight, just constructive dialogue)
I am not heated. Everyone has different views of business. A lot of guys here don't agree with what I consider a business to be and I don't agree with some guys here. That's how it goes. That's why I come here so frequently. I like hearing and opening up to different points of views on things. I always like to learn and if I think something can apply to make myself and/or the company better, I implement it.
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Bam, do you take anything for the constant ache? I take Advil, but it's not good to be taking that every day.

Wondering what others do. Just suck it up? And no dope.

What I realy need is a hot tub.


Be careful with that-I was injured in a car accident a few years ago-For a year strait afterwords, I would pop an advil every day. Even recently when the pain would come back, I would take an advil.

After developing an stomach ulcer-I do mostly stretches, no more pills. I'm 30 and really can't see myself popping pills for the next 20-30 years..
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And advil will wreck your liver worse than drinking.
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i wanna fight
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Not me. I'm stayin' out of this one. I think Jaw, Dmitry, and even BamBam, all have good points, and in some ways, all of them are right.

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