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Old 03-30-2012, 06:42 PM   #81
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I'll tell you how they would react and how they do react- not good for their morale at all.

I was taught to lead by example and if you basically saying that it's good to be in the trade cause I get to sit in the office, chit chat on CT or play Xbox it's not a good example.

It's funny that so many times we heard here how it sucks to sit in a cubicle and how everybody fells a pity for pencil pushers and it turns out the same guys spend most of their working time in the office)))
People have different ideas of ownership. I know a guy who is really just an employee of his own company. As I've stated before, I prefer being a business man first and a contractor second. I'm here to make money and to have employees do it for. I enjoy not having to do the physical work unless I want to. I enjoy having guys do that for me and for themselves.

Unlike the majority of contractor companies around here, I am trying to build a company that will have some sort of re-sale value. I want to build one that is self sustaining.

My first year in business (only 2010) I worked on all the jobs, did the selling, etc. it was me and two guys. I have already eclipsed my first years sales by over 35k this first quarter. I believe this is mainly due to me not being involved in the production work but rather being involved in what it takes to get the work.

Moral is great when guys know they have a steady workload ahead of them and know paychecks clear. I also pay employees more than the average and don't expect them to kill themselves. Employees understand someone needs to sell the work.

Start thinking big picture. I hope I never have to physically work again if I don't have to. I had to have two reconstructive surgeries on my swinging hammer wrist and it's painful everyday.
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:48 PM   #82
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I had to have two reconstructive surgeries on my swinging hammer wrist and it's painful everyday.
Bam, do you take anything for the constant ache? I take Advil, but it's not good to be taking that every day.

Wondering what others do. Just suck it up? And no dope.

What I realy need is a hot tub.
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What I realy need is a hot tub.
and some hunnies?!

My aches and pains go away fairly quickly after work. Dr. Brutus prescribes a beer or two a day.
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Bam, do you take anything for the constant ache? I take Advil, but it's not good to be taking that every day.

Wondering what others do. Just suck it up? And no dope.

What I realy need is a hot tub.
Voltaren hands down is so good from any type of wrist pains.

Aleve does the trick...I also get T3 from my migraines so I guess I am stocked up...Also if I am in a lot of pain ice-bath the wrist in the bucket for some time, then hot shower...cold-hot works great.

Have same issue and only one surgery(tore tendon) in my right hand.
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and some hunnies?!

My aches and pains go away fairly quickly after work. Dr. Brutus prescribes a beer or two a day.
thats right...a beer a day keeps docs away.
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And you guys wonder why younger generation is not buying that happy construction career story.

May be you should not say things like: I don't want to do physical work or my part of the job takes only 20 hours the rest of the time I **** around on the web.
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I usually just suck it up though. Today I was doing tile work and painting. Too much time on my knees. Even with knee pads, I couldn't wait for the end of the day.

Came home, did the chores and had a nice hot long shower. My knees still ache.

Getting old sucks.
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I'll tell you how they would react and how they do react- not good for their morale at all.
You must be accustomed to young crew members. Grownups don't much care what the boss does with his time (as long as he doesn't show up on site to micromanage). As long as he keeps selling jobs and providing work, it's nobody's business what he does besides that--excluding moral turpitude.
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The world needs ditch diggers too Danny. We can't all be bosses, field workers, salesmen, etc. Not everyone owns their own business because they can't/don't want the stress. Some people will always be employees and are happy doing that. For those of us who choose to get work for others, it's stress come with rewards...usually. If you don't like the stress it's time to be an employee again. Just remember if you are an employee again, that you can relate to the stress your boss is under.
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Most guys who have been self employed for any length of time are unemployable.
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And you guys wonder why younger generation is not buying that happy construction career story.

May be you should not say things like: I don't want to do physical work or my part of the job takes only 20 hours the rest of the time I **** around on the web.
I'm younger than you brother and only one employee is younger than me. My average employee age is 34. They're over crying about "how the boss has it made because they don't do anything" because they have learned the truth.

Kato, I try to suck it up. Sometimes I'll take half a painkiller but I try not to.
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And you guys wonder why younger generation is not buying that happy construction career story.
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There will always be the guys who sign the front of the cheque and those that will always be signing the back.

The truth is that it is not the business that matters. It's the individual. Those who are construction business owners would be owners in another field.

Those who are construction workers would be workers in another field.

There's nothing wrong with this. The world does need both. But the workers who envy the owner have no clue to what it took to get there.
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And you guys wonder why younger generation is not buying that happy construction career story.

May be you should not say things like: I don't want to do physical work or my part of the job takes only 20 hours the rest of the time I **** around on the web.
Theres select guys in that younger generation that would disagree with you. Im in my early twenties, construction so far has been pretty good to me..alot better than my my buddies in their late twenties/ early thirties who work corporate.

Most guys that are smart know what it took for the guy thats driving around all day doing bids to get there. The ones with half a brain dont..the reason its hard to find good employees is the lack of character. There are two different mindsets among "employees" and "owners"
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I'm 28. I've got 2 boys, 8 and 6. My right knee has very little cartaledge (sp) left, My right shoulder is having some wierd problem for the past 18 months (I shouldn't be on the roof but I have to).

I am not disagreeing with you on the business side. I know that a lot of guys are doing well, but it's still feast or famine for me. I was just saying if I didn't still like my work I'd start applying for jobs.

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I would never of guessed you are 28. I mean that as a compliment.
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Theres select guys in that younger generation that would disagree with you. Im in my early twenties, construction so far has been pretty good to me..alot better than my my buddies in their late twenties/ early thirties who work corporate.

Most guys that are smart know what it took for the guy thats driving around all day doing bids to get there. The ones with half a brain dont..the reason its hard to find good employees is the lack of character. There are two different mindsets among "employees" and "owners"
Believe me there are a lot of guys with brains that realize no matter how hard they try the market and demand is not that high nowadays to accommodate all who want and can to price jobs and answer calls.
That's why the trades are predominantly maintained by a huge number of those who have no other choice-undocumented workers.

I don't know how it got here all of you guys just jumped on me but initially my point was---If you are the boss and demand from your employees good work ethic you can't brag how you can fudge around during working while your guys are making you money, it's just plain wrong attitude and it's gonna lead to disaster.
There is always something to do especially if you are the owner.

I've known a guy with a really good siding crew he trained them well and they could do everything without his presence, so on hot days he would go jet skiing on a lake, stay home on colder days. The guys were getting paid per sq ft but nevertheless they figured they could do the same without him and they still are doing it.

One of my former bosses got his business by stealing all of the contacts from the guy who would sit in the office all day to the point that the boss( a foreman) back than talked to customers, did take offs etc.

I bet there are a lot of stories like these.
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You spend the rest of the day in the office???


I think a lot of guys think that if you are not on the job your eating donuts and BSing.

Most of my time is spent doing PM. Helps in that regard if they see you dig a hole for a sump pump or build a french drain , working late when they go home, and working weekends while they are off. I'm not quite to the 20 hr week stage and sometimes if you want **** work done you got to do it yourself. Unfortunately, my time spent working can't always be doing trim.

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I'll tell you how they would react and how they do react- not good for their morale at all.

I was taught to lead by example and if you basically saying that it's good to be in the trade cause I get to sit in the office, chit chat on CT or play Xbox it's not a good example.

It's funny that so many times we heard here how it sucks to sit in a cubicle and how everybody fells a pity for pencil pushers and it turns out the same guys spend most of their working time in the office)))
I agree personally, I didn't get into construction to be a desk jockey. I will always work, hopefully at one point only on stuff I want to do, but right now, and maybe always on whatever has to get done. 45+ a week that's PM ( scopes, schedules, ordering materials, delivering materials, staging jobs) another 20 or so in the field. Sometimes flipfopped, sometimes less, sometimes more. I want a construction company, means a lot of admin sometimes.

But, I think its great for guys who want to be business guys first or only. Nothing wrong with it, never bothered me when I was working for others. I'm not the guy who is ever going to play video games or work 20 hrs a week, but love it for those who do and can. Bam seems to have a great operation going. Different strokes. Employees who feel that way are the same ones who resent their boss anyway, imo.
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I would never of guessed you are 28. I mean that as a compliment.
Thank you, that means a lot coming from you. You are in the position I would like to be as a business man. I really appreciate the knowledge and experience of the guys on here, It's like having a father in the same business as me.

I said earlier that you would need to make 100k to equal 50-60k at a good company, so lets talk about obtaining that goal. I would be there if I worked, with a crew, 40 weeks out of the year (at my current rates). So, what methods have you all used to obtain that amount of work? I have been brainstorming the past few weeks on how to obtain more work in my current market:

1. Residential gutter cleaning with region wide marketing- $175 per home
2. A better web site
3. Bidding larger commercial/government jobs (I would need more capital to do this)
4. Commercial property maintenance accounts (pressure washing, seal coating, painting, etc)
5. Being patient with my current business model to grow referals, increase marketing (home shows, newspaper, etc) and wait for the economy to improve.

sorry for the thread hijack
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Thank you, that means a lot coming from you. You are in the position I would like to be as a business man. I really appreciate the knowledge and experience of the guys on here, It's like having a father in the same business as me.

I said earlier that you would need to make 100k to equal 50-60k at a good company, so lets talk about obtaining that goal. I would be there if I worked, with a crew, 40 weeks out of the year (at my current rates). So, what methods have you all used to obtain that amount of work? I have been brainstorming the past few weeks on how to obtain more work in my current market:

1. Residential gutter cleaning with region wide marketing- $175 per home
2. A better web site
3. Bidding larger commercial/government jobs (I would need more capital to do this)
4. Commercial property maintenance accounts (pressure washing, seal coating, painting, etc)
5. Being patient with my current business model to grow referals, increase marketing (home shows, newspaper, etc) and wait for the economy to improve.

sorry for the thread hijack

Ill be 29 next week.

Networking my ass off has been the biggest thing, imo. I'm not nearly where I want to be business wise, and income wise. My dad is a superb builder/remodeler, but has never networked. The business is 6 years old. In the last year we've tripled our annual revenue, a lot which can be attributed to networking. Unfortunately, this could unravel at any time. Our plan is network, branding and brand definition, proffesional rates, and keeping overhead low while we remain versatile and hope the economy keeps going good for us here. The economy still sucks here, but we have been fortunate fir the most part.
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Im just don't want to do this type of work anymore. Im ready for a change. What do i want to do? Have no freakin idea.
I just know the feeling i have that i want to do something else.
Sometimes you just have to come to a dead stop to change direction, and there's nothing wrong with that. Clear your table, it'll fill up with something.

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