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Old 03-29-2012, 09:52 PM   #61
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I respect that. Ever since the time i was around 10 all i wanted to do was be by the beach and surf. I really wish my parents moved out here..i was a beached fish being deprived of my natural environment in CT. If i ever have kids(scary thought in my early twenties) im going to do it so they can grow up by the beach with good waves.
Where in San Diego? I moved out to encinitas when I was 19. Ended up moving back to Florida 5 or 6 years later. I miss the surf and snowboarding at Bear a lot.
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:54 PM   #62
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If you don't LOVE your work, this industry is not worth it - period.

I was roofing today, soaked to the bone in 6 hours (two spent on a paid estimate). We must have had a full inch of rain, my feet were squishing as I walked.

You know what, I was having a good time. It's a sickness. I wish I could cure it, I should have taken a nice corporate job years ago.
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Where in San Diego? I moved out to encinitas when I was 19. Ended up moving back to Florida 5 or 6 years later. I miss the surf and snowboarding at Bear a lot.
I havent rented out a place yet, but ive been everywhere from imperial to carlsbad. right now im looking into la jolla, although encinitas is pretty cool too. surf was better in south cardiff on the last day i was in the area. Really is going to come down to where i can pick up the most work
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I havent rented out a place yet, but ive been everywhere from imperial to carlsbad. right now im looking into la jolla, although encinitas is pretty cool too. surf was better in south cardiff on the last day i was in the area. Really is going to come down to where i can pick up the most work
Yeah I lived all around the Encinitas / Carlsbad area. I really loved North County. La Jolla is nice but pricey. Heck, it's all pricey out there. Best of luck to you bud!
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Yeah I lived all around the Encinitas / Carlsbad area. I really loved North County. La Jolla is nice but pricey. Heck, it's all pricey out there. Best of luck to you bud!
Thanks man appreciate it!

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If you don't LOVE your work, this industry is not worth it - period.

I was roofing today, soaked to the bone in 6 hours (two spent on a paid estimate). We must have had a full inch of rain, my feet were squishing as I walked.

You know what, I was having a good time. It's a sickness. I wish I could cure it, I should have taken a nice corporate job years ago.
I felt like this when I was in early twenties, now every time I find myself freezing or wet and hauling something heavy I tell myself that this SUCKS!
Another thing is that in framing you don't get any journeyman/master credentials the trade is not protected and if you work as an employee your top pay average will be 25$ that is about 48.000$ a year.That number is just funny, if you wanna have a house and be able to give your kids education.

Owning your own company could make you a lot more but no matter how long you are in the business your craftsmanship level is not provable, people don't look for a guy to frame their new house on Craigslist or Angie's list, you gotta know a GC or a guy who will give you jobs.

Your future is really uncertain even if you think you are one of the best and a big boss, tomorrow you might get into an accident and on your WC you are self exempt, the guy who gives jobs to you will give it to somebody else and all of a sudden you are chasing home owners fixing decks and porches.

The economy really affects what we do, even when I finish big jobs and help somebody out I still have to chase my ****ing money.
That's just not serious.

Sorry for the volume, all I was trying to say that it was all fine while I was just a kid now when I am thinking about future - having kids and home and being able to support them with what I am doing now I get nervous.
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Dmitry,

I'm 28. I've got 2 boys, 8 and 6. My right knee has very little cartaledge (sp) left, My right shoulder is having some wierd problem for the past 18 months (I shouldn't be on the roof but I have to).

I am not disagreeing with you on the business side. I know that a lot of guys are doing well, but it's still feast or famine for me. I was just saying if I didn't still like my work I'd start applying for jobs.

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I'm 28. I've got 2 boys, 8 and 6. My right knee has very little cartaledge (sp) left, My right shoulder is having some wierd problem for the past 18 months (I shouldn't be on the roof but I have to).

I am not disagreeing with you on the business side. I know that a lot of guys are doing well, but it's still feast or famine for me. I was just saying if I didn't still like my work I'd start applying for jobs.

Jason
I am 28 too, I think working in any type of Construction should be respected and well rewarded. I respect the fact that you love what you do so much, you are a lucky man to find yourself!
My problem is that it's not respected much and not rewarded respectfully. I don't want to be a wreck in my thirties, I also start to notice a wear and tear on my body and it's ****ed up- I am 28!

No dental, no WC no 401K no securities. Messed up knees, back etc. for what? It seems I invest in this business a lot more than I get back, don't even start me on LL insurance, WC and all the stuff we have to pay, just to be able to get out there and bust our ass.Ridiculous.
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I agree with you Dmitry.

I think we are both in that "gut check" stage. We are both young enough to start a career with a good company.

I have a degree and management experience. So, it's hard for me to look at a Boeing job thats 9 to 5 making 50k + and not apply for it. You would have to make 100k as a company to match the benefits and retirement.

Good luck to you.
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Sorry to say, but you are right. The whole business of contracting is and has changed.

Today they push DIY to the HO. Very few care about quality and fewer can afford it.

Materials like wood are no longer what they were also.
Thanks Kato you hit that nail dead square.

One day I got really teed off at one of the stupid box stores. I was looking at all of their crooked 2 x 4's and one grabbed my attention.

No joke this 2 x 4 had about 5 years of growth max. I said wow! What kind of garbage wood do they get.
Did they engineer this junk to grow like a weed?

DIY we can help. That's who's to blame. Dumb HO's believe it. "I saw it on TV"
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A lot of good replies Thanks...
I just have to dig in deep and make a decision .. Home inspection crossed my mind a few times. Never looked into it though.
I still have few jobs ahead of me i need to do. A deck , replacement windows ( Which i hate to death) a closet to design and build and some exterior trim. So it buys me some time to ponder and think.

Thanks for all the feedback and chit chat.

Cheers....
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No joke this 2 x 4 had about 5 years of growth max. I said wow! What kind of garbage wood do they get.
Did they engineer this junk to grow like a weed?
Did you see the news that the SPCA is derating SYP by 30%? It's because the trees are so heavily fertilized that they grow so fast and don't contain enough fibers. Progress is awesome, ain't it.
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I just brought on a 40 year old man on Friday. You wouldn't know his age by looking at him but boy, I sure do like him. He is like the older clone of me. If he keeps this up for about another three months, he will get a raise and most likely be looking at 30+ an hour.

No complaints and wants to just work because as he said "I never made a dollar while I was taking a break". I worked with him most of the week. Hopefully it keeps up.

What I think the worst thing in the business is are employees. Finding and keeping good ones. To me, that is even more frustrating than all the other problems posted around here.

Without the trade and being self employed who knows where I would be. I know I wouldn't be sitting here right now chatting on CT in between appointments while guys are making me money. So like anything, there are ups and downs but I find there to be a lot more ups (even after I wanted to shut everything down on Monday, AGAIN).
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Without the trade and being self employed who knows where I would be. I know I wouldn't be sitting here right now chatting on CT in between appointments while guys are making me money. So like anything, there are ups and downs but I find there to be a lot more ups (even after I wanted to shut everything down on Monday, AGAIN).
I agree it's nice to sit around or be on vacation while somebody else is making you money, wonder how your employees would react to what you are telling us here though.
It's harder to find good employees cause the ones with brains will never bust their asses for some dude that's playing a big boss; driving around all day, drinking coffee and chit chating on the phone.
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I agree it's nice to sit around or be on vacation while somebody else is making you money, wonder how your employees would react to what you are telling us here though.
It's harder to find good employees cause the ones with brains will never bust their asses for some dude that's playing a big boss; driving around all day, drinking coffee and chit chating on the phone.
I KNOW that's what my guys think every time I hop in the truck at 10am and drive back to the office
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I KNOW that's what my guys think every time I hop in the truck at 10am and drive back to the office
You spend the rest of the day in the office???
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Lol I have to disagree...I have a guy with 29 years of experience who could be well off on himself,but he does not want to,because he knows how stressful it is.

Sitting in the office is not all chit-chat or drinking coffee (or xbox as matter of fact like in my case).

Besides if they want more work somebody should be in the offices.
Most emloyees get it,ones that dont are ones who have no clue in business. Unfortunately work doesnt fall from skies.
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I agree it's nice to sit around or be on vacation while somebody else is making you money, wonder how your employees would react to what you are telling us here though.
It's harder to find good employees cause the ones with brains will never bust their asses for some dude that's playing a big boss; driving around all day, drinking coffee and chit chating on the phone.
How they would react that I was on CT in between appointments? I am sure they wouldn't say a thing because most employees know that work just doesn't show up. The 40 year old man I was talking about, just closed his down due to lack of work and not wanting to deal with it all anymore.

My job is to provide them work and give them steady 40 hour weeks. If I can do that in 20 hours for the week, then the rest can be whatever I decide to do with it. This week I was on the job from 7am until we were done each day except today. Today I had my own appointments to run.

The bigger problem would be if employees were on CT in between hammer swings.
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How they would react that I was on CT in between appointments? I am sure they wouldn't say a thing because most employees know that work just doesn't show up. The 40 year old man I was talking about, just closed his down due to lack of work and not wanting to deal with it all anymore.

My job is to provide them work and give them steady 40 hour weeks. If I can do that in 20 hours for the week, then the rest can be whatever I decide to do with it. This week I was on the job from 7am until we were done each day except today. Today I had my own appointments to run.

The bigger problem would be if employees were on CT in between hammer swings.
I'll tell you how they would react and how they do react- not good for their morale at all.

I was taught to lead by example and if you basically saying that it's good to be in the trade cause I get to sit in the office, chit chat on CT or play Xbox it's not a good example.

It's funny that so many times we heard here how it sucks to sit in a cubicle and how everybody fells a pity for pencil pushers and it turns out the same guys spend most of their working time in the office)))
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I'll tell you how they would react and how they do react- not good for their morale at all.

I was taught to lead by example and if you basically saying that it's good to be in the trade cause I get to sit in the office, chit chat on CT or play Xbox it's not a good example.

It's funny that so many times we heard here how it sucks to sit in a cubicle and how everybody fells a pity for pencil pushers and it turns out the same guys spend most of their working time in the office)))
Yea but thats part of growing business...at some point you are not working yourself anymore,but have people working for you while you are in the office. If materials are delivered,appointments are completed and paperwork is done I cant sit and stare at pop-corn ceiling .

Especially if I am useless on site because they have everything figured,then I just browse net,re-posting ads,reading ct and what not...sure there are xbox times(a lot of that lately due to weather) but realistically its just a way to get away from everything for alittle.

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