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Old 06-12-2020, 09:24 AM   #61
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Since framing is my biggest pet peeve trade with these f'ing snowflakes, ill throw a tidbit out. Makes me miserable watching these inefficient MFs lol

This is for any rookies

When your going to frame a house -

1) make your own material list - its far more efficient, and you can list what everything is for when you make it so some retard doesn't start chopping up studs for blocks or cut your stair stringer materials for headers or something.

There is no way a salesman will get it all right with the rat runs and purlins and staging and braces etc.... not to mention plate height changes, stacking plates etc...

2) meet the truck and separate and stage material - the days of the delivery drivers knowing anything is over

3) make a cut list before you ever show up. Every cripple, header etc...

Pro tip - type it and put in drop box so if they lose or it gets coffee spilled on it you can reprint or look at your phone.

4) the second dumbest MF on the crew. Show him what an A stud, B stud, C stud and culls look like. Get his young (hopefully young) ass separating and making ABC and come-and-get em stacks.

5) third dumbest MF on your crew - get him to start cutting all of the cuts and making stacks

6) when the #1 dummy is done separating start him nailing up cripples and headers.

Label them with the measurements and stack flat so they don't twist

7) smart MF starts day 1 with the DUMBEST mf on your crew squaring foundation, popping lines. Then llating, detailing ect...

I am assuming everyone is dumb today so forgive me if your crew is smart. I watched a crew yesterday cut each piece for one wall and they all built and stood that one wall.... over and over.... they are subs, put up a nice frame but damn they won't listen lol

No one should EVER be standing around on a frame. Ever lol
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:51 PM   #62
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Not everyone works the same way. I for one won't cut all the pieces for the whole house at the get go. I prefer to have a set agenda for each day, and leave the rest of the lumber undisturbed. I also do not prescribe to the ABC stud method. They are either nice (corners king studs) decent,(field studs), or bracing.

I do believe in breaking up the crew into separate tasks. I will rarely have more than 2 guys on any task. Then again, my crew is primarily guys with 20 plus years framing. I can remember the days of working with a bunch of noobs, and generally you are better off with them lolly gagging rather than screwing something up
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Not everyone works the same way. I for one won't cut all the pieces for the whole house at the get go. I prefer to have a set agenda for each day, and leave the rest of the lumber undisturbed. I also do not prescribe to the ABC stud method. They are either nice (corners king studs) decent,(field studs), or bracing.

I do believe in breaking up the crew into separate tasks. I will rarely have more than 2 guys on any task. Then again, my crew is primarily guys with 20 plus years framing. I can remember the days of working with a bunch of noobs, and generally you are better off with them lolly gagging rather than screwing something up
I feel you. Thats why I said this is for rookies though. I dont think most rookies are framing them big cut up SOBs you frame, or I would hope not

My methods change drastically from one job to another sometimes, or atleast when I was running the crew. Each job is different and they way I approach is different. This is more a simple method for a rookie to get started. Works well evertime to me for a simple build like my office, not so well for a triple addition/demo etc...

Also we work a bit different. You have 4 guys if memory serves and have had the same guys for a long while. My KISS method is because at some points I had 17 men on my own payroll, maybe over three sites and no telling who I'm working with. With more than a dozen men I would perpetually have some new guys, some dumb guys, some ok guys and some bad asses

Like my brothers cabinet shop, it morphs overtime. His carpenters don't do anything the way he originally did it, but they have been doing it for a while now and don't need an elementary guideline

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Since framing is my biggest pet peeve trade with these f'ing snowflakes, ill throw a tidbit out. Makes me miserable watching these inefficient MFs lol

This is for any rookies

When your going to frame a house -

1) make your own material list - its far more efficient, and you can list what everything is for when you make it so some retard doesn't start chopping up studs for blocks or cut your stair stringer materials for headers or something.

There is no way a salesman will get it all right with the rat runs and purlins and staging and braces etc.... not to mention plate height changes, stacking plates etc...

2) meet the truck and separate and stage material - the days of the delivery drivers knowing anything is over

3) make a cut list before you ever show up. Every cripple, header etc...

Pro tip - type it and put in drop box so if they lose or it gets coffee spilled on it you can reprint or look at your phone.

4) the second dumbest MF on the crew. Show him what an A stud, B stud, C stud and culls look like. Get his young (hopefully young) ass separating and making ABC and come-and-get em stacks.

5) third dumbest MF on your crew - get him to start cutting all of the cuts and making stacks

6) when the #1 dummy is done separating start him nailing up cripples and headers.

Label them with the measurements and stack flat so they don't twist

7) smart MF starts day 1 with the DUMBEST mf on your crew squaring foundation, popping lines. Then llating, detailing ect...

I am assuming everyone is dumb today so forgive me if your crew is smart. I watched a crew yesterday cut each piece for one wall and they all built and stood that one wall.... over and over.... they are subs, put up a nice frame but damn they won't listen lol

No one should EVER be standing around on a frame. Ever lol
but your a truck ass...

go run an errand, have lunch, find something else to do...
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Not everyone works the same way. I for one won't cut all the pieces for the whole house at the get go. I prefer to have a set agenda for each day, and leave the rest of the lumber undisturbed. I also do not prescribe to the ABC stud method. They are either nice (corners king studs) decent,(field studs), or bracing.

I do believe in breaking up the crew into separate tasks. I will rarely have more than 2 guys on any task. Then again, my crew is primarily guys with 20 plus years framing. I can remember the days of working with a bunch of noobs, and generally you are better off with them lolly gagging rather than screwing something up
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I feel you. Thats why I said this is for rookies though. I dont think most rookies are framing them big cut up SOBs you frame, or I would hope not

My methods change drastically from one job to another sometimes, or atleast when I was running the crew. Each job is different and they way I approach is different. This is more a simple method for a rookie to get started. Works well evertime to me for a simple build like my office, not so well for a triple addition/demo etc...

Also we work a bit different. You have 4 guys if memory serves and have had the same guys for a long while. My KISS method is because at some points I had 17 men on my own payroll, maybe over three sites and no telling who I'm working with. With more than a dozen men I would perpetually have some new guys, some dumb guys, some ok guys and some bad asses

Like my brothers cabinet shop, it morphs overtime. His carpenters don't do anything the way he originally did it, but they have been doing it for a while now and don't need an elementary guideline

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i get where both you guys are coming from.

a great deal depends who is on that particular crew and what the job entails.

inefficiency and individuals standing around drive me nucking futs...

it gets to be a fine line when you start handing out checks, go chill out in the shack or just go for a ride...

i was never a big fan of pre cutting a bunch of material or sorting lumber as soon as it arrives.

sorts have a way of changing from day to day as they sit in the sun.

pre-cuts get mis-used, lost, or some dumb ass can't read a tape.

just depends...gotta go with what works for you.
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i get where both you guys are coming from.



a great deal depends who is on that particular crew and what the job entails.



inefficiency and individuals standing around drive me nucking futs...



it gets to be a fine line when you start handing out checks, go chill out in the shack or just go for a ride...



i was never a big fan of pre cutting a bunch of material or sorting lumber as soon as it arrives.



sorts have a way of changing from day to day as they sit in the sun.



pre-cuts get mis-used, lost, or some dumb ass can't read a tape.



just depends...gotta go with what works for you.
Really depends on the size and complexity of the build. The 8k sq ft house we are building - no way id pre cut everything. Same for a cut up remodel/addition. Be twisted to sin by the time they got placed

For a small build, like my office, 2k ft, works very well. Even with a truck ass the walls were up in 3 days. My house is 3400, simpke build, same, was up in 6 days. Pre cut all cripples and headers. Straight as John Wayne.

We never pre cut roof material

My point was for rookies, as said. I could clear more than 2k a week easy with 1 carpenter and 2 helpers framing simple houses the way I stated. From what I have seen, my advice would do sfanding backflips over the "framers" operating i see

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but your a truck ass...



go run an errand, have lunch, find something else to do...
Compared to you and Warren, my initial advice on truck assing is more my speed lol

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Reason behind ABC stacks - once again I am in the realm of a numner of men not trusted bad asses - easy to say As are for kitchen/cabinet/long walls ect...

KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid

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Reason behind ABC stacks - once again I am in the realm of a numner of men not trusted bad asses - easy to say As are for kitchen/cabinet/long walls ect...

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i am a big fan of the KISS principle...
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i am a big fan of the KISS principle...
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i am a big fan of the KISS principle...
and never, never, never assume individuals understand your instructions.

ALWAYS ask for a read back to make certain they heard the same thing you told them & understand...
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I will also add:

I edit the lumber list before it is ever delivered. I often will just have them send me studs, 16's, and 12's for all the 2x4. The pile gets messy and complicated when they start throwing in a few 10's, 14's, etc. Same thing with joists and such. I hate when the salesman tries to overthink everything, like he is the one installing. Just give me all 16's for the rim material, The cutoffs will get used in other areas.

With employees, I also employee the "kiss" system. Start the joist layout at 16 set ahead on the front of the house with just one line. Marking the other 1 1/2 line not only takes longer, but leads to more problems. By having one line, all the layout is just 16 after that, and the only thinking needed is which side of that mark to put the x on.
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Take the 15 minutes to prime the framing that goes behind the garage door brackets before installing. It will save a lot of time down the road for someone if the garage ever gets drywalled and painted and makes everything turn out cleaner. Looks good in the meantime as well. Tips And Tricks.....-screen-shot-2020-06-13-7.12.05-pm.png

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Everybody knows to remove the spray head off a new kitchen faucet before you turn the shutoff valves back on and bleed the supply lines. All kinda crud sputters out that woulda went into your screen and ruined it.

That bleed water's got to go through a solenoid on the new touchless faucets. If it does, the crud in it can keep the solenoid from closing and the brand new faucet won't quit dripping. Don't ask me how I learned this please.

If you've got a ball valve main shutoff, use it and skip the valves under the sink or bleed the shutoffs before connecting the faucet.
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When I'm swapping out a toilet, I use a couple wood shims to scrape up the old wax ring.

Beats having to clean a tool.
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Everybody knows to remove the spray head off a new kitchen faucet before you turn the shutoff valves back on and bleed the supply lines. All kinda crud sputters out that woulda went into your screen and ruined it.

That bleed water's got to go through a solenoid on the new touchless faucets. If it does, the crud in it can keep the solenoid from closing and the brand new faucet won't quit dripping. Don't ask me how I learned this please.

If you've got a ball valve main shutoff, use it and skip the valves under the sink or bleed the shutoffs before connecting the faucet.
Are those soleniods pita enough to A) replace the stop valves or B) add some 1/4 turns after them (so you can first open the old ones to bleed off the old rubber crap, etc.)?
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Are those soleniods pita enough to A) replace the stop valves or B) add some 1/4 turns after them (so you can first open the old ones to bleed off the old rubber crap, etc.)?
Those are both excellent ideas. I could handle either, rebuilding a solenoid, not so much.

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