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Old 06-19-2016, 09:42 AM   #1
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this is my first post so hello to everyone

i was hoping to get a bit of advice after some misfortune at the weekend,

One of my vans had all the tools taken from it on Saturday.

the van was being used by a sub contractor (and friend) for personal use at the time and was on the car park of a leisure centre

there is very little damage to the van other than the steering column has been ripped out. Nodamage to door locks etc

all the tools were in the back and although there are 2 dead bolts on it there is no damage, indicating the van was left unlocked and not bolted either. I cant guarantee this of course

i have never specifically said not to leave the tools on the vans but i would have thought that went without saying

am i within my rights to ask this guy to pay for the tools ? i would compromise and pay for the damage to the van

anyone been in a similar situation ?

what would you do ?

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Old 06-19-2016, 09:56 AM   #2
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the van was being used...for personal use at the time and was on the car park of a leisure centre
sounds like he owes you some tools and repair bills. If you're going to use a company vehicle for personal stuff, remove the tools. He didn't and someone tried to steal the van and ripped the tools.

his stupidity/laziness shouldn't be your loss.
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If he's your friend, he should have already offered to make things right.

In the US, you'd have to go to court in order to force him to pay--and you might not get full value anyway, since you voluntarily lent him the vehicle. No idea what the UK laws are.
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Is there a reason why you didn't remove the tools yourself?
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insurance?
I didn't realise this was a USA site, but thank you for your advice

Insurance companies generally won't insure tools that are left on a van overnight or they give you a crazy price
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Is there a reason why you didn't remove the tools yourself?
I am not on the tools and don't use that van,

90% of the time that guy uses that vehicle, occasionally someone else does
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sounds like he owes you some tools and repair bills. If you're going to use a company vehicle for personal stuff, remove the tools. He didn't and someone tried to steal the van and ripped the tools.

his stupidity/laziness shouldn't be your loss.
This is how I feel about it, Is about 1000 worth of gear so it's not the end of the world but a offer or gesture from him would be nice

After all he isn't directly employed and I provide a vehicle and tools + fuel
I think I'm pretty reasonable really
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..sounds like directly employed to me..
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..sounds like directly employed to me..
He is a self employed subcontractor and invoices me for his time

Not sure how much that changes the issue anyway, but he is a subby
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Yes I have,In the beginning I led on to believe is story,and in the mean time I put out the word somebody got me and to be on the look-out for someone that is selling paint equipement....like I thought my worker tried to sell my airless to the wrong person and called me so I rush right over their and notified police"Inside job"
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..sounds like directly employed to me..
I just want to point out that He's in the UK meaning that there's a different set of rules than what the US follows.

Just something to keep in mind.
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The first thing that I'd ask the guy is how does he plan on rectifying the situation. If he hasn't come forward and said, "I'll replace everything" or "I don't have any money right now." or anything to that effect, he's probably waiting for you to come to him. Your friend/sub could be thinking one of a few different things:

a.) I really blew it. He's going to hammer me. I'll just wait for the other shoe to fall and take my lumps.

b.) He has plenty of money and he can cover it.

c.) His insurance will pay for it.

d.) That's the cost of doing business. Not my tools or truck, therefore it's not my problem.
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He's a sub but drives your van full of tools? Wtf
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I have a tool riderr on my van and for the money I carry around in tools the price or the rider is peanuts.

Ask yourself this if the van was parked on a job site and was cleaned out what course of action would you take?

You can't just say he should have known to take the tools out, I don't know about you but my tools stay in my van all the time.
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Yes I have,In the beginning I led on to believe is story,and in the mean time I put out the word somebody got me and to be on the look-out for someone that is selling paint equipement....like I thought my worker tried to sell my airless to the wrong person and called me so I rush right over their and notified police"Inside job"
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Did you just have a stroke while posting?

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You can't just say he should have known to take the tools out, I don't know about you but my tools stay in my van all the time.
Another thing that I think about- Whenever someone asks to borrow my tools, there's a good reason why they don't have their own tools. They lack the appreciation and responsibility that comes with having a decent set of tools. When they borrow the tool, they do the task that they need it for, put it down, and completely forget about it. So later on you ask, "HEY! WHERE'S MY SCREWDRIVER" and they look at you like deer in the headlights... saying "what screwdriver? Oh.. that one.. uh.. yeah.. I loaned it to another guy so you might want to ask him."

I'd guess that your friend didn't have the same level of appreciation when it came to driving your truck. He doesn't have his own truck so he has no sense of appreciation or protection when it comes to borrowing it.
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He is a self employed subcontractor and invoices me for his time

Not sure how much that changes the issue anyway, but he is a subby
Different country here, but in Canada employee vs. contractor is threee criteria. Uses your own car, use your own tools, make your own schedule.

Guy would be an employee here and you would be on the hook for the tools.

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