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Old 01-27-2019, 08:38 AM   #61
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. Maybe it's related to the fact that the new generation doesn't believe in apprenticeship, or putting in your dues, or working your way up.
I think thatís a huge problem. To be a heating, plumbing, electric contractor takes years on apprenticeship 6, 8 & 8 respectively. No millennial wants to put that in. Even when I was in high school students didnít want to put in the minimum 4 (plus almost an AS degree) to get a electrician journeyman card. Not to mention all the stories of ECís not giving their apprentices credit for hours worked to stall their journeyman process.

My plumber tells me thereís no one left to hire who knows how to do new construction. All the contractors who have the capability are strictly working for the big buildersor commercial. I donít know if thatís just his way of trying to jack up his rates with me or not but I can believe it. Itís not rocket science but all his employees are a bunch of dumbasses so....... No one wants to learn and take the time to fit in the required classes, I guess it seems like an endless journey to a millennial.


I doubt my state will ever wise up and go the route of CA or not but something will have to be done because eventually there wonít be anyone who can plumb, wire or heat a house.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:44 AM   #62
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I doubt my state will ever wise up and go the route of CA or not but something will have to be done because eventually there wonít be anyone who can plumb, wire or heat a house.
God, I hope not.

We've become the united socialist state of MI as it is.

Can't take a sh!t without a permit - FFS.
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God, I hope not.

We've become the united socialist state of MI as it is.

Can't take a sh!t without a permit - FFS.
Im talking about letting up on apprenticeship rules. None of the other stuff CA does that makes it harder. A lot of that is because of earthquakes, we don’t need that.
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I have noticed that most younger guys dont wear tool bags. They just put their stuff on the ground or a table. Just seems weird to me. I'm a tool bag guy. The odd thing is none ever tells them to get their bags on. They just wander around picking up and putting down tools and fasteners.

I have lightened my bags over the years though. I used to probably carry 20 pounds in my bags when I was production siding.

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I have noticed that most younger guys dont wear tool bags. They just put their stuff on the ground or a table. Just seems weird to me. I'm a tool bag guy. The odd thing is none ever tells them to get their bags on. They just wander around picking up and putting down tools and fasteners.

I have lightened my bags over the years though. I used to probably carry 20 pounds in my bags when I was production siding.

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It would seem that bags vs. no bags is more of a function of what you do. We have a NO bags policy once cabinets start to go in. No one wears bags around the cabinets. The biggest culprit is the sparkyís bags putting a scratch in a door.

Hard to imagine a framer without.
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One thing that bothers me is seems like everyone I meet or people that I run into from the past want to become my best friend. But if I start a friendship they end up constantly bugging me or coming over uninvited.

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Same, although I broke the rule myself because I'm not dumb enough to scratch cabinets or walls even as wide as I am lol......

But I was dumb enough to drop my trim hammer on a bamboo floor and dent it 36 hrs before the Parade of Homes when it was upside down in my bags .....

No exception to the rule now. Lol

I have a 29 year-old lead Carpenter who is the best Carpenter on the crew, including two that are in their 50s. Very talented and he is by far the highest paid employee, including our superintendent. He'll of a welder, shop cabinet guy, can form, frame and trim like a beast. Even has a great understanding of spans, codes and best practices.

When they are framing, generally is on the chop saw after he lays plates out, he hates wall work. He only gets his bags on when he starts framing the roof. When he's on the saw or laying out plates he carries a speed square in his back pocket a framing square in his hand, a hundred foot tape on a caribiner, 40 ft tape on his belt and chalk box in his back pocket. Kinda the same on remodel work, different tools and a bag.

No one has ever brought it up, if they did I would tell them my Tom Brady/backup center story. Lol
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It would seem that bags vs. no bags is more of a function of what you do. We have a NO bags policy once cabinets start to go in. No one wears bags around the cabinets. The biggest culprit is the sparkyís bags putting a scratch in a door.

Hard to imagine a framer without.
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This thread is really making me miss coworkers.

Camaraderie is the best feeling in the entire world.

I gotta find a whole house to paint soon so I can get some company.
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Some of my best memories as a kid are sitting on a pile of fan fold during lunch listening to my dad and the guys who worked for him ball bust. The framer, drywall guys usually dropped in as well. My grandfather was also on site sometimes too. A few beers were consumed but nobody was hammered.

. Now my guys donít even stop for lunch ever. Many of the Hispanic framers, siding, roofing, landscaping etc crews at the sites Iím at sit and enjoy their meal as a crew. Similar to how I remember as a kid.


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The Latinos are the ones really keeping it alive. I've seen those guys bring hot plates, mircowaves, hot plates, and canister stoves. I usually can't even be bothered to heat my leftover slop I'm eating, if I bother to stop at all.
Lunchtime loses a lot of its luster when you're on your own dime.
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The Latinos are the ones really keeping it alive. I've seen those guys bring hot plates, mircowaves, hot plates, and canister stoves. I usually can't even be bothered to heat my leftover slop I'm eating, if I bother to stop at all.
Lunchtime loses a lot of its luster when you're on your own dime.


We take a 15 minute at 10 and a half at 12. In fact I'm sitting here eating my lunch on site as we speak.


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Yeah, that's what's done around here.

On particularly bad days, the joke is that we will be observing the 2:30 15 minute coffee break. Rarely happens, but some days it HAS to happen.

Working alone is funny. Usually I skip in an effort to leave faster. Sometimes I do the full deal and sit and everything. Some days I just pick a period of time where I'll take my tools off and work less hard for 20 or 30 minutes. Negotiating with yourself is bizarre.
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I usually work till I'm sick of it. Happens around 6:30-7. If I reach a breaking point where I'll start a new different operation I may just head out so I don't have to rearrange my brain, come in the next morning after I thought about it overnight to see if I missed something or can find a better way to do it.
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I quit taking breaks except for lunch. We do 45 minutes for lunch,but I only count it as 30 when I pay them. A couple guys bring their lunch everyday. I hardly ever do. Even if I do , I don't like to get too chummy with the help. They start acting like we are friends.
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More tech on the job site,( telebooms, generators,battery tools,man lifts) all equals smaller crews, less social interaction.

Fewer days/ weeks at each job = less time to "move in" with the kitchen etc...

As I get older, the more I need/heed the 2-2.5hr. rule, if you've been sitting, get up and walk around, if you been standing, sit DOWN for 5 minutes, carry on.

I seen hundreds of people leave "lonely" jobs for lower paying jobs in a crowd....

I will make a special effort to interact more with the New workers and the old this year. And ask to eat lunch with a fellow sub once or twice a week.

AS a former Union member /local office holder, I found it is easy to over share info that morally challenged people can and will use against you.

Interaction with bad actors won't improve anyone's' work day/life

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So no one's willing to tell these old guys that the young guys are all hanging out without them after work and just not telling them?
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The Latinos are the ones really keeping it alive. I've seen those guys bring hot plates, mircowaves, hot plates, and canister stoves. I usually can't even be bothered to heat my leftover slop I'm eating, if I bother to stop at all.
Lunchtime loses a lot of its luster when you're on your own dime.
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Most of my crews work per diem jobs, out of town. Sharing hotel rooms 5-6 days a week. They work 10-12 hrs a day together, eat their dinner together, 2 guys share a room.

Once they get back in town they are usually ready to go their separate ways.

Last week when it was -30 with wind chill we cancelled all work for 2 days. One of those days we brought everyone into the shop and had RF, CPR and First Aid training renewed. Lunch provided. At the end of the day, quite a few guys went out to the bar. They invited me but I told them I've got work to do.

I can't see it being a good example for me to take my company truck to the local watering hole and down some beers with the boys. Just aint gonna happen.

This weekend I got off my truck-ass and worked on Saturday with one of the crews. Actually, did this about every Saturday in 2019 so far. Anyways, we finished up a big portion of a job so I offered to take the guys out to lunch.

We went to the Texas Roadhouse. Its a mediocre chain. I said get what you want, don't be shy. They all got sandwiches. The bill for 4 was just over $50. I told them they were cheap dates, very much UNLIKE my wife. We shared some stories and had a few laughs. It was a good time. I spend most of my life in front of the computer or behind the wheel bidding and looking at work. The guys that work here really don't know me too well and that not such a bad thing. I think its good for morale to share a little time together every now and then though.

We also have a nice company picnic each summer. We provide food and non-alcoholic beverages. The guys are free to bring their own drinks, and they do. Anymore, providing alcohol is a liability.

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