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Old 01-23-2019, 06:22 PM   #21
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Intentional stress on disrupting labor from forming bonds that aid in Labor v Management/owner disputes:

Keep the stirring up disputes between possible leaders to prevent common action for greater Pay & fringes...

Over investing one "life" in one area.... Don't play or Poop where You work..

The end of the Baby Boom, far fewer participants in each follow on generation since the Age of effective Birth Control.

Fewer brothers and sisters = more Lone wolves, see above.

massive welfare plantations That expelled father/ male adults from daily contact with young of both sexes.

Crazy ideas taught at all levels of the US "Education" system K-18 regard male bonding/ behavior as 'Anti-social or Anti-feminist.

Presence of large numbers of 2 class replacement working illegally, that encourage the thoughtful to exit the labor markets that use illegal alien labor on an on-going basis.

Loss of social status by construction workers as their jobs aren't seen as needing protection from the invading tens of millions of Illegal workers..

Similarly to Plantation/chattel Slavery in the old Southern States the use of 2cd and 3rd class persons to perform work at fractional legal market wages, has destroyed the earning ability of lower class non-criminal citizen and legal alien workers.

Common sense possessing persons flee any job place invaded by imported peons, further lower the social skill levels on a typical "Tower of Babel" job with a large fraction of hard working illiterate in any language employees.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:47 PM   #22
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Way back in the day when I used to work out of town a lot it was an every night thing. Your crew was your social life. Since the company paid for food and lodging somebody always found the best deals on both.

I fondly remember one place in particular on the Gulf coast of Mississippi. They had the best seafood and steaks and ice cold beer. Little hole in the wall place but the food was killer and your drink was never empty. A big pot of shrimp was always brought to our table as an appetizer. The main course always took a while as I guess they wanted to run the liquor tab up. Unbelievable it was. I remember thinking no one should eat this good every day....but we did. If I wasn't working 7/12's I would have gained 50lbs.

Good times.....those days are gone......forever
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I think it's different for crews "on the road".

We just had a hospital built...I see plenty of out of state workers ...having dinner and drinks together at a lot of the local places and then back to the motel/hotel for the night.
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I think it's different for crews "on the road".

We just had a hospital built...I see plenty of out of state workers ...having dinner and drinks together at a lot of the local places and then back to the motel/hotel for the night.
I'm sure they do but these events I'm referring to were like banquets. The company would hire a few in state personnel from say a few hundred miles away and they weren't offered the same per diem. Many slept in their campers or truck and pocketed the per diem. We felt sorry for them and had a pretty much open invite for them too so we would at times have up to 20 or more people. I'm sure the restaurant loved us as long as they had a heads up
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You guys aren't getting beers on Friday?

Sounds like y'all are the problem.
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used to have a case of beer or 2 or 3 on payday on the tailgate...

if it was too hot or too cold we went to a pizza joint, usually a roundtable...

bbq or serious pasta night at my house for the crew & subs once or twice a month...

lots of camaraderie, crew was close to each other & it showed.

now days guys go their own way at lunch, on a big job many times don't know each others real names...

fear of god if i walk the job and start asking questions either as the gc or super...

i am still in contact with a few of my old crew...

most are retired and enjoying life....

the few still working say it's nothing like the old days...

WHY NOT?????

it's part of a whole bunch wrong with the industry today....
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Leave that stuff in the basement;don't come up here and try to infect a good thread with that drivel !
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Don't tell me what or what not to do.
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I can,I will and just did ! There is a place "dedicated" to that silliness......use it !
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This sounds like a job for a few beers and a tailgate.


Also, I reject the entire premise of this thread. You guys must be hanging out with the wrong crews. Mine were all at my wedding. We hang out on weekends. We email each other stupid memes after hours. We have job jokes. We help each other move.

Good times. Y'all gotta get after it. When's the last time you brought a 30 rack and made a motion to pack it in at noon on a Friday? Today could be your day! Be the change you wish to see in the world!
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I can,I will and just did ! There is a place "dedicated" to that silliness......use it !
So you don't think that having a bunch of people not of this country and many who don't speak English is part of the reason why this has happened?
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Plenty of discussions of profit, pay, staffing, work environment, etc include immigration factors. Just a fact.
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So you don't think that having a bunch of people not of this country and many who don't speak English is part of the reason why this has happened?
They don't seem to care and eat lunch together, laugh together lots of camaraderie just like Griz described. They have much in common, where as the indigenous people (us) seemed to have lost some of those connections. Placing being individuals over being part of group.


Edit: to add I'm not defending the resistance to learning English or supporting any Illegal behavior
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So you don't think that having a bunch of people not of this country and many who don't speak English is part of the reason why this has happened?
I don't.

Not one bit.
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Any of the ethnic groups - from south of the border or north of the border, hang together at meal times.

And that's just how it was when I was a kid, and for all the generations before me.

That's why we have Pole Town and Cork Town and Greek Town and German Town as the actual names of places in the Detroit and Ann Arbor area.

I cannot imagine how my grandparents would have managed, had they not found their way to a community where there was a a prevalent 2nd language that they understood.
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Illegals aliens like most groups of criminals form herds to reduce the predator(L.E.O & ICE) pressure...

The massive increase in welfare programs, even for single healthy males has allowed marginaal workers to keep jobs that even 20 years they would have quickly been fired from.

Even in my lifetime the creative destruction of economic growth lowers the average number of years anyone works at a similar job class...

to keep your income up, the average worker at levels will have to learn new skills a few times during their career path.

Co-Ed workplaces have a different social matrix compared to all one sex workplaces...Title 'Nine'? has change the workplace, not always for the better.

The downside of the uber tax rates of the late 40s to 1980s is that it slowed the social changes due to the Cold War over spending taking a generation and half of high growth rates away from US citizens...
4ths' Third Law: The better the economic times, the weaker social bonds...
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Any of the ethnic groups - from south of the border or north of the border, hang together at meal times.

And that's just how it was when I was a kid, and for all the generations before me.

That's why we have Pole Town and Cork Town and Greek Town and German Town as the actual names of places in the Detroit and Ann Arbor area.

I cannot imagine how my grandparents would have managed, had they not found their way to a community where there was a a prevalent 2nd language that they understood.


Thank you John for your attempt to inform the clueless ones with your history of how ALL groups have been able to integrate in the U.S .or anywhere for that matter. The older ones pick up the language generally from the children who are by necessity out and about more.
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Thank you John for your attempt to inform the clueless ones with your history of how ALL groups have been able to integrate in the U.S .or anywhere for that matter. The older ones pick up the language generally from the children who are by necessity out and about more.
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So you don't think that having a bunch of people not of this country and many who don't speak English is part of the reason why this has happened?


Don't really know why I'm taking the time to clue you in. Not biting on your insidious attempt to hijack this thread and turn it into some silly / useless discussion. Again,take it down to the basement and banter away with your cronies down there.

CT is predominately a contractor site to discuss relevant job site related issues for individual trades with a basement,not the other way around.

Upon casual observance,it is not difficult to spot who has useful information to share trade wise and those who have little to contribute,but like to wallow in misery,all the while complaining the OTHER people,group,nationality,political leaning member are the sole cause of the countries / worlds problems. If they just thought exactly like me and my group,I would be happy and the world would be perfect.

Pathetic !

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