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Old 01-16-2019, 01:44 PM   #61
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Reading your own article, things have to be put into perspective...

" But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades "


The USA Today article your link apparently references is here... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...tles/84995854/

That equates to 116 lawsuits per year over three decades involving 500 companies, and according to the information 1900 was where he was the Plaintiff, and the 1400+ where he was the Defendant, where it broke down to...
700... Personal Injury
300... Real Estate Disputes
165... Government and Taxes
125... Contract Disputes
120... Employment Cases
60... Golf Courses and Clubs
25... Branding and Licensing
20... Trump University
20... Miss Universe
15... Libel, Slander or Media
So in reality, while "3500 lawsuits" and conflating it to represent "small contractors and other vendors" in your comments sans the reality, you have to consider the MILLIONS of transactions he was involved with over a three-decade period, across a spectrum of business in different industries...

So if you're being fair, is it more likely that it's his business model to screw people (which would have gotten out pretty quick), or is more likely what your article says...

"If a company or worker he hires isn’t paid fully, the Trumps said, it’s because The Trump Organization was unhappy with the work.

“Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely,


Despite what we may think of it individually, it seems the courts where parties takes their disputes, seems to back up his version... the USA article ...
How the cases have gone...
in the about 1300 cases (of the 1400+)
where the record establishes the outcome...

500.... Dismissed/Discontinued
450... Trump Wins
175... Settled
38... Trump Loses
137... Other
So juxtaposed against a backdrop of 500+ companies, MILLIONS of transactions over three decades, with tens of thousands of employees, with a guy who is intertwined in media and in the public eye, it seems more likely it's as he said...

And if it was a business model, it would get out pretty quick (if not among those in the trades, the media)...

So even if you want to assume that those involved with bringing the lawsuits against him were all right, and he was all wrong, despite the records showing quite the opposite, anyone doing business with him, would have to weigh that information before doing so... and considering his companies are still in business, and the amount of companies involved in just ONE of their projects (a building for example), it doesn't seem like they're too worried about getting paid...

IF you're being fair about it and not cherry picking information...

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Old 01-16-2019, 01:46 PM   #62
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My Risk will cap at 4K maximum unless is my business. Op did big mistake working for new guy and allowing to own him 13K. I had email from some small upper bracket home builder to trim entire house and he will pay me after is completed. So it was me working for him 3 times, first, last and never more.
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I own a wood shop in San Jose. I was contacted by a contractor to manufacture closet parts for his projects. He currently owes me $13,000 and I have no way of contacting him. He's dodging all my calls and texts. What actions can I take against him? Also, I found out that he doesn't have a license for installation. Should I report him to the CSLB? Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. Mods please move if necessary. Thank you.
Interesting timing or an article... Send him an email including the below article and highlighting some of the details...
To Catch a Predator’ host Chris Hansen charged with bouncing checks... https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ouncing-checks

From the article...
"The goods totaled $12,998.05 and the former MSNBC host agreed to pay for the items in full before they were delivered. An employee who worked for Hansen sent a check for the items three months after they received invoices for the materials. When the check bounced, Hansen apparently apologized to Psichopaidas and said he would make a partial payment.

The business owner filed a police complaint in April 2017, after he did not receive any payment."
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That's not always true. The settlement can include all expenses.
You're confusing tort and contract. Contract litigation only enforces the amount in the contract. If you're suing someone for an injury or other harm, then it's possible to win legal fees as part of the settlement.
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I figured that was coming. So, I'm supposed to believe anything from left wing sources during the election?


Dude... just keep closing your eyes and ears and trump will remain a supreme golden pig man. Alternate facts are your friend, just turn Fox up to 11.


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Dude... just keep closing your eyes and ears and trump will remain a supreme golden pig man. Alternate facts are your friend, just turn Fox up to 11.


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Is there a law that says you can't have ethics?
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Dude... just keep closing your eyes and ears and trump will remain a supreme golden pig man. Alternate facts are your friend, just turn Fox up to 11.


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I don't watch fox, dude.
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Is there a law that says you can't have ethics?
No but are laws are based on ethics.

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You're confusing tort and contract. Contract litigation only enforces the amount in the contract. If you're suing someone for an injury or other harm, then it's possible to win legal fees as part of the settlement.


I'm not confusing anything it's possible to recover all your expenses. That was true when I said it before and it's true now.

Most contacts worth their salt have litigation clauses in them. I know mine does.

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I own a wood shop in San Jose. I was contacted by a contractor to manufacture closet parts for his projects. He currently owes me $13,000 and I have no way of contacting him. He's dodging all my calls and texts. What actions can I take against him? Also, I found out that he doesn't have a license for installation. Should I report him to the CSLB? Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. Mods please move if necessary. Thank you.
how did this turn into a trump debate?
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OP I didn't read everything. If yours check bounce just go to conciliation court. You will win 100%. Do not treat him or so as someone advise here, you will only run in trouble.
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how did this turn into a trump debate?
Actual people were involved so.....
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how did this turn into a trump debate?
one guy heard he did not pay his bills

I worked for a company that actually did work for him for several years and we always got paid
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Weaponise the IRS.... "forgive" the debt and send him a 1099misc? for the 12000$ of NOW income the fool will have pay taxes on INSTEAD of using the (unpaid) invoice to lower his taxes the same amount....


His taxable income liability just increased 2X the amount owed you

And the IRS Audit algorithms won't like the Income by service theft....

Get a skilled tax accountant to max out the damage, Federal State and local tax wise.

This aids you using the loss on YOUR taxes.... Form 8949 ? maybe

I'd think you'll have to report the larceny to the local sheriffs?

OPer, did the Perp ever have the ability to pay at any time, or was he NEVER in liquid state able to clear a check in the amount owed?

Is his bank involved in the ongoing criminal enterprise by leaving his account open after five digit unpaid checks?
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one guy heard he did not pay his bills

I worked for a company that actually did work for him for several years and we always got paid
"Bankruptcy is a legal term for when a person or business cannot repay their outstanding debts"

"Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did."

So there is that....
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"Bankruptcy is a legal term for when a person or business cannot repay their outstanding debts"

"Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did."

So there is that....
Do you dispute that? If not, I don't understand what the point is... EVERYONE, businesses and individuals have the same access to bankruptcy if needed...

Sears, Mattress Firm, Toys 'R Us, Eastman Kodak, etc. just in the last year doing a resergence, and Chrysler, GM, CIT Group, WorldCom, Lehman Brothers, Enron, Conseco, Pacific Gas & Electric Co., American Airlines, all among the largest bankruptcies in US history...

No company WANTS to file bankruptcy as it makes it harder to run business, but sometimes circumstances, markets, the economy in general make it necessary for a company to avail itself rather than go under...

So is it that Trump availed himself of the laws of the land, which everyone has access to, or is it just because it's Trump?

Over 500 businesses, and four bankruptcies over three decades... less than 1%... wish our government had that record...
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Keep in mind Trump is not the first President who filed bankruptcy before entering office...

Jefferson
Lincoln
Grant
McKinley

...among them...
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Keep in mind Trump is not the first President who filed bankruptcy before entering office...

Jefferson
Lincoln
Grant
McKinley

...among them...
Thanks god at last one get shoot for it. Btw it is again same situation. Trump had a couple hundred of profitable businesses and he collect profit of all of them. When was time to pay losses in a few businesses he rather share it with contractors and employees through bankruptcy. Therefore exist guys like myself to sue anyone involved so will think next time when will declare bankruptcy. This comment here motivate me to attack more at anyone involved in bankruptcy case where I'm creditor.

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Keep in mind Trump is not the first President who filed bankruptcy before entering office...

Jefferson
Lincoln
Grant
McKinley

...among them...
Wow. I consider myself an astute observationist of history and had no clue about Grant or Lincoln... Jefferson is kinda a gimme though. Now I have something to chew on for the weekend... Thanks!

I think the original premise as far as the original post is this though. Dude willingly wrote a check and bounced it.

I don't care who or what you are... I don't care how legal it is... If you buy something and fully intend on not paying you are a complete douchebag. I'd agree with that.

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