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Old 10-15-2014, 08:00 AM   #21
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I read somewhere that every 20seconds someone has their life savings stolen in the US due to fraud and 6 people every 10seconds are sucked in by these scam emails. Its unreal there's so many people fall for these scams.

My mum nearly fell for one in the UK until she called me trying to find out how to use western union.

Not sure how western union are allowed to stay in business because 99% of the time the scammers use them.
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Anybody smarter than me want to explain what seems to be a scam on Craigslist where they PayPal you money and you ship what you're selling to them? I keep getting that request and I just keep saying no.

I have no idea all the different methods a scammer uses but I know that if you meet me in person and give me cash (unless it was counterfeit) I haven't been scammed.

Also had a lady wanting to mail me a check and then I would ship her the item. Said I could ship it after it was cashed. I still said no. Seemed fishy. And she only texted and when I called her number it was some sort of text only number.
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Oh and my BIl wanted to buy a motorcycle of CL and got scammed for 1k. It was a pretty slick setup. He was having life troubles, got divorced, needed the money (don't they all). He was paying shipping and was doing the transaction through eBay. My BIL told me about it after he bought it and said it seemed fishy and I wouldn't have done it.

They made a fake ebay email and had a phone number to call and a second person answered that phone with a different voice. It looked like it was an eBay buyer protection program but really it was just a scam.

I don't know all the ways they trick people but people get scammed all the time...
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Anybody smarter than me want to explain what seems to be a scam on Craigslist where they PayPal you money and you ship what you're selling to them? I keep getting that request and I just keep saying no.

I have no idea all the different methods a scammer uses but I know that if you meet me in person and give me cash (unless it was counterfeit) I haven't been scammed.

Also had a lady wanting to mail me a check and then I would ship her the item. Said I could ship it after it was cashed. I still said no. Seemed fishy. And she only texted and when I called her number it was some sort of text only number.
Paypal let's people reverse transactions within 30 days of the money transfer so you ship them the item and then they get their money refunded.
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Anybody smarter than me want to explain what seems to be a scam on Craigslist where they PayPal you money and you ship what you're selling to them? I keep getting that request and I just keep saying no.

I have no idea all the different methods a scammer uses but I know that if you meet me in person and give me cash (unless it was counterfeit) I haven't been scammed.

Also had a lady wanting to mail me a check and then I would ship her the item. Said I could ship it after it was cashed. I still said no. Seemed fishy. And she only texted and when I called her number it was some sort of text only number.

They want you to ship the item out of the US. It will be for a family member or friend working in Africa or something. Once you do that, you lose the ability to track the shipment and the ability to prove to PayPal you sent the item.

Since PayPals default position favors the buyer, as soon as you tell the buyer you've sent the item they file a claim with PP they never received the item and get a refund (minus PP's fees, of course).

It doesn't matter if you have a receipt showing you shipped the item at 2:35PM today, they can claim they never received it at 2:36PM today and get their money back. Plead all you want to PP.... you lose.

A week later, the scam artists receive your item for the cost of the PP fees.



I've often thought about shipping them a box of dog poop, so the scammers end up with nothing of value for the cost of the PP fees...... but PayPal would probably close MY account for scamming the scammers.
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They want you to ship the item out of the US. It will be for a family member or friend working in Africa or something. Once you do that, you lose the ability to track the shipment and the ability to prove to PayPal you sent the item. Since PayPals default position favors the buyer, as soon as you tell the buyer you've sent the item they file a claim with PP they never received the item and get a refund (minus PP's fees, of course). It doesn't matter if you have a receipt showing you shipped the item at 2:35PM today, they can claim they never received it at 2:36PM today and get their money back. Plead all you want to PP.... you lose. A week later, the scam artists receive your item for the cost of the PP fees. I've often thought about shipping them a box of dog poop, so the scammers end up with nothing of value for the cost of the PP fees...... but PayPal would probably close MY account for scamming the scammers.
Yup. My brother had someone say they wanted to buy his xbox for their brother not in country. Grammar was awful in the text. But that's exactly what it was. I told him not to do it and I didn't know why/how but he was going to be scammed. Had 3 people make the same offer so he sold it on eBay instead.
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There's so many scams its unreal. A lot of them now are being done direct in the US. It used to be Nigeria where most of them would come from but lots of Nigerians in the US have figured out there's big money to be made and they have the contacts over there who have all the account information.

A friend of mine nearly got scammed for a $3k shotgun on armslist. The seller looked legit but he see the same exact listing in another state with completely different seller details. They were ready to meet and do the exchange but lucky he see that other listing. Whats been happening is they get you to do the trade then rob you for the cash. Happens a lot. i have flagged about 15+ posts in the last year on there. But thousands of people a day fall for it so they wont stop until these people stop getting caught out.

I had a guy wanted to buy my mountain bike. Knew it was a scam straight away after he said to wire back the extra money he sent by accident. Got him to send the Cashiers check and cashed it just to see what happened. After about 5hrs i got a call from a fraud team asking me 100's of questions. They said don't send the item and don't send any money to anyone involved with this transaction and return the cash as my account was in the negative for what they took back out my account. Lucky for me i knew the deal but 5hrs would have been more than enough time to post the item and wire back the extra cash.
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Alright my smart friends, explain this one. Lol.
Tried to sell my wife's wedding dress. Lady wanted to mail me a check. After I deposited/cashed the check, I would ship the dress to her.

It was a text only phone number when I tried to call her. Seems semi legit as she's the one taking the risk. But what's their end game? Why would you send someone $150 and hope they ship an item to you? Just can't figure out how this one plays out but I said no. Identity theft instead of money scam maybe?

I told my wife I'm smart enough to know they're smarter. Lol
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They want you to ship the item out of the US. It will be for a family member or friend working in Africa or something. Once you do that, you lose the ability to track the shipment and the ability to prove to PayPal you sent the item.

Since PayPals default position favors the buyer, as soon as you tell the buyer you've sent the item they file a claim with PP they never received the item and get a refund (minus PP's fees, of course).

It doesn't matter if you have a receipt showing you shipped the item at 2:35PM today, they can claim they never received it at 2:36PM today and get their money back. Plead all you want to PP.... you lose.

A week later, the scam artists receive your item for the cost of the PP fees.



I've often thought about shipping them a box of dog poop, so the scammers end up with nothing of value for the cost of the PP fees...... but PayPal would probably close MY account for scamming the scammers.

There was a scam with paypal a while back where i nearly lost a laptop and the amount i sold the item for. Buyer bought it and funds were on hold until i sent item. i sent him and paypal notice. between him and them he cancelled the transaction and money was no longer on hold in my account. Item was already on the way. He then filed a claim with paypal that item didnt show up and they took the cost of the laptop from my account. After maybe 3 days of calls back and forth and sending all the info i had they removed the claim and i managed to get the laptop back by getting the package returned to me. They have since fixed this glitch but by this time the guy was up the cost of the laptop and closed his account so paypal couldn't get the money back from him. I doubt he even intended to get the laptop and just the cash.
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My dad's attorney was representing a guy who got scammed in a private vehicle sale. It went something like this:

He deposited a fraudulent "certified check" into his bank from the seller (bank accepted and deposited it in person. Signed over the title, and though he was done. Couple days later the banking system discovered the fraud and held him responsible for that amount. So he was out the $5000 or whatever AND his vehicle. The bank tried to hold him liable, which was the reason for the attorney. I don't know the end result, but it cost him for the attorney, on top of everything else.

Other similar scams are when they show up with the "bank check" for more than your final agreed price, and they get you to just write them a check (or cash) for the difference.

Moral of the story is a bad check that seems to "clear" may not. Needs a couple days in the system.
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Alright my smart friends, explain this one. Lol.
Tried to sell my wife's wedding dress. Lady wanted to mail me a check. After I deposited/cashed the check, I would ship the dress to her.

It was a text only phone number when I tried to call her. Seems semi legit as she's the one taking the risk. But what's their end game? Why would you send someone $150 and hope they ship an item to you? Just can't figure out how this one plays out but I said no. Identity theft instead of money scam maybe?

I told my wife I'm smart enough to know they're smarter. Lol
Fake checks/money orders. They get package sent to a address they know will be left outside. 99% of my packages are left on my door step. You cash the check/money order. It clears for a few hours or days. you send item to fake address and then they get Item. Its one of the most basic common scams.

As an example i can get credit card details of numerous sites online. I make 20 purchases and get them sent to my neighbors house where i know they are not there from 9-5 all week. If only 5 packages are left im up what ever's in them.
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Anybody smarter than me want to explain what seems to be a scam on Craigslist where they PayPal you money and you ship what you're selling to them? I keep getting that request and I just keep saying no. I have no idea all the different methods a scammer uses but I know that if you meet me in person and give me cash (unless it was counterfeit) I haven't been scammed. Also had a lady wanting to mail me a check and then I would ship her the item. Said I could ship it after it was cashed. I still said no. Seemed fishy. And she only texted and when I called her number it was some sort of text only number.
selling a welder last month, i had someone text a reply to my craigslist ad and say they would write me a check and then come pick it up when it cleared. It doesnt sound that unreasonable but it seemed a little weird so i told them cash only.

My great uncle is involved in some business that must be a scam. Hes tried to sell me on it. Its called Virtual Concierge.

http://m.bizjournals.com/southflorid...al.html?r=full

It seemed obvious to me that it was a ponzi scheme, based on the actual product and claims to pay $300/mo for $3500 investment that would continue generating revenue for years.
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My dad's attorney was representing a guy who got scammed in a private vehicle sale. It went something like this:

He deposited a fraudulent "certified check" into his bank from the seller (bank accepted and deposited it in person. Signed over the title, and though he was done. Couple days later the banking system discovered the fraud and held him responsible for that amount. So he was out the $5000 or whatever AND his vehicle. The bank tried to hold him liable, which was the reason for the attorney. I don't know the end result, but it cost him for the attorney, on top of everything else.

Other similar scams are when they show up with the "bank check" for more than your final agreed price, and they get you to just write them a check (or cash) for the difference.

Moral of the story is a bad check that seems to "clear" may not. Needs a couple days in the system.
Them car ones are very common. People think cashiers checks are good no matter what. They wont be flagged for a least a few hours.

The other common one is ringers. All serial numbers and plates are copied on a vehicle to make it look like its a legit vehicle when all checks are done. But what your really getting a a vehicle that has copied details. You buy this vehicle thinking its legit and its only a matter of time until that vehicle is taken by the police and crushed. You out the money and car.
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My dad's attorney was representing a guy who got scammed in a private vehicle sale. It went something like this:.........
My neighbor got wrapped up on one of those fake bank check schemes. She was selling something on CraigsList, and was asked to send photos of the item.

She asked me to not only take the photos, but put them in an email for her since she didn't know how. While doing so, I spotted the scam. She was selling this thing for $600, and was offered a certified check for $800 instead.

So we turned the tables on the scammer. She got the check, but instead of depositing it she took it to the bank and had them check it out. Of course it was a fake, so she kept it, and the trap was set. She replied that the check was deposited, and was told by the scammer that his associate would be by a week later (to make sure the check doesn't bounce, of course) to pick up the item.

A week later, the scammers' associate shows up to pick up the item. Since we live on a cul-de-sac, we had the local sheriff's deputy 'on call' nearby. When the 'associate' pulled up, I called the cops and he blocked his car in.

His trunk was full of high-end stuff he had picked up from CL sellers. The check was taken as evidence.


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Anybody smarter than me want to explain what seems to be a scam on Craigslist where they PayPal you money and you ship what you're selling to them? I keep getting that request and I just keep saying no.

I have no idea all the different methods a scammer uses but I know that if you meet me in person and give me cash (unless it was counterfeit) I haven't been scammed.

Also had a lady wanting to mail me a check and then I would ship her the item. Said I could ship it after it was cashed. I still said no. Seemed fishy. And she only texted and when I called her number it was some sort of text only number.
Here is how I have seen it, they want to buy something from you and have it shipped to them, so they give you a cheque and tell you to cash it and keep x and give y amount to the shipper. Guess what the cheque is bad, and you will be on the hook for everything.

I have seen them try it with certified cheques, happened to my parents, when they took it to the bank to verify they told them it was a fake cheque.
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Sparky, thats ****ing great! Nice work!
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Fake checks/money orders. They get package sent to a address they know will be left outside. 99% of my packages are left on my door step. You cash the check/money order. It clears for a few hours or days. you send item to fake address and then they get Item. Its one of the most basic common scams. As an example i can get credit card details of numerous sites online. I make 20 purchases and get them sent to my neighbors house where i know they are not there from 9-5 all week. If only 5 packages are left im up what ever's in them.
So you can cash a check, have cash in hand, and later the bank comes back and says it was a bad check and you have to give the money back?

I'm young and don't know a whole lot about all this stuff. I just try and use my head and if something doesn't seem right/too good to be true. Then that probably exactly what it is.
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So you can cash a check, have cash in hand, and later the bank comes back and says it was a bad check and you have to give the money back? I'm young and don't know a whole lot about all this stuff. I just try and use my head and if something doesn't seem right/too good to be true. Then that probably exactly what it is.
Depends. Most of these checks are designed so that they show as valid accounts but it can take hours to confirm this. The cashiers checks are most common on these scams as most people thing they are gonna get the cash no matter what. If you don't return the money the bank will either deduct it from your account or come after you for the money. For all they know your writing these checks.
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Depends. Most of these checks are designed so that they show as valid accounts but it can take hours to confirm this. The cashiers checks are most common on these scams as most people thing they are gonna get the cash no matter what. If you don't return the money the bank will either deduct it from your account or come after you for the money. For all they know your writing these checks.
Very interesting. Glad I said no. Lol.
How did Sparky's deal work out though? As far as checking first to see if it's a bad check.
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Some checks can be checked. If its in the bank the check was issues from its easy. If its from another bank it could take upto 7 days to figure out its not a valid account.

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