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Old 05-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #1
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Is This Right?


I'm not real sure if this is right...






Shouldn't that rim joist [?] be 100% on top of the block foundation?

This a 2 story wood frame job...



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Old 05-22-2012, 02:42 PM   #2
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Re: Is This Right?


That looks like a plate to me, not a rimjoist.

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Correct. Looks like a double plate.

It also looks like the block bumps out a few inches further down so the plate would sit more on then off. Not sure what's going on here.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:14 PM   #4
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That dont look good, I think it will fail inspection.

By the looks of the roof I think the floor joists likely run the same direction. If that be the case they should have left full bearing of the sills and anchor bolts and cantilevered the floor beyond the block if it was a "squaring" problem.
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:02 PM   #5
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Thanks for the input guys...


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Correct. Looks like a double plate.

It also looks like the block bumps out a few inches further down so the plate would sit more on then off. Not sure what's going on here.
Yes...the block work further back is a larger dimension than in the front...they also neglected to install the metal tabs [?] the brickies will need later.

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That dont look good, I think it will fail inspection.

By the looks of the roof I think the floor joists likely run the same direction. If that be the case they should have left full bearing of the sills and anchor bolts and cantilevered the floor beyond the block if it was a "squaring" problem.
The floor joists are perpendicular to the eve.

I'll wander up the street and shoot a few more shots.
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Well in the second picture it's more to the left...
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what's that got to do with pies???
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They probably left room for the bricks to be laid up under.
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Without knowing all the details, it's hard to say what's beneath the sheathing. There was obviously a mistake somewhere, but mistakes aren't always catastrophic. In reality, there's probably enough sill plate bearing on the block as is.

It sure looks screwed up, but there are structural details that could have been used which would make that situation completely acceptable, such as a double rim cantilevered out off the protruding block further back with joists hung off of it.

Simply adding a sill plate behind the existing one to bear on the block wall would have done the trick too, assuming the joists actually run in that direction in the first place.
Too many unknowns to make assumptions IMO.
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The hell with the floor system - the 2nd floor windows plopped on top of the porch roof are likely a bigger issue.
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The hell with the floor system - the 2nd floor windows plopped on top of the porch roof are likely a bigger issue.
Probably why they pulled the wall forward 2 feet. So the roof wouldn't interfere with the windows.
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Probably why they pulled the wall forward 2 feet. So the roof wouldn't interfere with the windows.
They should have pulled it forward 2 1/2 feet.
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If that sill plate wasnt planned like that its not going to fly unless there is a lazy inspector. There is strict rules on anchor bolts for shear walls.
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Looks like maybe the brick veneer is supposed to make it up
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is a brick ledge present on the foundation (juts out about 3-4")? I've laid up houses looking just like that, where we came in and laid brick to the bottom of the floor system. That was a long time ago, not sure if it's typical practice these days.
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Pretty sure there's a brick ledge under there, then that'll be ok, but it looks like the front was pulled 2' out over the stoop. You can see a void to the left of the sill plate. Maybe the joist will span the stoop okay, can't tell. Need to be sure that gets insulated and sealed off from the dirt before they pour the stoop. Probably a change after the foundation was in.
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Looks like a job for Holmes on homes to check out ! Better wait till the house is more finished so he can tear it all apart !
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Hope he follows up, I wanna hear the outcome
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Every single picture looks wrong to me... but I am still young and tend to jump to conclusions)
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Good eye on the windows, that would not fly up here, snow would be half way up the windows and water intrusion for sure. The wall and roof would be rotted in a matter of a couple yrs. Personally i would run ice/water shield on the porch roof and right up the wall surrounding the windows. But even then if they ever get a good snow fall the heat loss through the glass will test the seals of the window.

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