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Old 12-12-2009, 09:49 AM   #21
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can you please start using some paragraph spacing? gracias
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The problem I have is he's a guy that gave me a bunch of business last year on his rental properties. He knew I was involved w/ reclaimed heart pine and (at first) wanted this for a hardwood floor through out his house.

Quoted this then he decided to add a kitchen- no big deal actually good news so I added this (7 months ago). Then he got worried his dogs would kill the floor so I had to find a harder floor (still mildly exotic).

Then he didnt know if he could afford the whole floor, new base and case, and the kitchen so he had me break it down more. Now his wife's do in Feb so the job HAS to be done by then but he's thinking just the floor in the kitchen (not the whole house)and the cabinets.

When he said just the kitchen it was more like "I dont remember how many square feet just the kitchen is so I cant do the math on how much that will be". Well you're right! Cuz even if you could brake it down it'll be more because it's alot less work for me which means more $$$ from you!

He's crazy and now I'm crazy from dealing w/ him. Whenever I talk to him he sounds like he's ready to go, just give him my revision then a month goes by after I get excited (times are tough here).
kinda like that
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Not to mention that this is part of the business. Revising proposals is why you make the big bucks! If you already have a contract, it is called changeorder time or as I like to think of it KA-CHING!!!!!!!
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:11 AM   #24
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Not to mention that this is part of the business. Revising proposals is why you make the big bucks! If you already have a contract, it is called changeorder time or as I like to think of it KA-CHING!!!!!!!
No contract yet. That's what I'm trying to get.

Also, I wasn't aware that my posts in this contractor's forum would be held under such arduous literary scrutiny. I'll try harder to make sure my sentence structure and spelling are sufficient from now on...
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Also, I wasn't aware that my posts in this contractor's forum would be held under such arduous literary scrutiny. I'll try harder to make sure my sentence structure and spelling are sufficient from now on...
Actually, it was the white space in your paragraphs he was referring to...

Breaking up the story into paragraphs w/ white space surrounding them helps the reader absorb the information better.
Not a jab, just a suggestion...

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The problem I have is he's a guy that gave me a bunch of business last year on his rental properties. He knew I was involved w/ reclaimed heart pine and (at first) wanted this for a hardwood floor through out his house. Quoted this then he decided to add a kitchen- no big deal actually good news so I added this (7 months ago). Then he got worried his dogs would kill the floor so I had to find a harder floor (still mildly exotic). Then he didnt know if he could afford the whole floor, new base and case, and the kitchen so he had me break it down more. Now his wife's do in Feb so the job HAS to be done by then but he's thinking just the floor in the kitchen (not the whole house)and the cabinets. When he said just the kitchen it was more like "I dont remember how many square feet just the kitchen is so I cant do the math on how much that will be". Well you're right! Cuz even if you could brake it down it'll be more because it's alot less work for me which means more $$$ from you! He's crazy and now I'm crazy from dealing w/ him. Whenever I talk to him he sounds like he's ready to go, just give him my revision then a month goes by after I get excited (times are tough here).
I wouldn't keep doing it piecemeal, that's part of the reason it's taking so long - he's not happy with the level of detail. Some guys here just won't break down their quotes, but if you're willing to give a detailed breakdown, break the whole thing down and make sure you'd be happy/profitable doing any portion of it, don't break it up in stages - less work for you that way.

Then you can give him the quote and the ball's in his court. If he hires you, great, if not you're free!
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Duck - I would still like an answer as to why you are so focused on contractors breaking their prices down...

All your posts say the same thing but you have no logical explanation as to why someone who breaks their prices down to every nail used will be able to get a job over a contractor who finds it to be none of the homeowners business, just like it isnt our business to look at their bank statements to see if they actually have the money to pay us.
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Mattsk8, don't take the paragraph thing personally. It just makes it easier to read. Old eyes like white space.

Hang in.

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Duck - I would still like an answer as to why you are so focused on contractors breaking their prices down...

All your posts say the same thing but you have no logical explanation as to why someone who breaks their prices down to every nail used will be able to get a job over a contractor who finds it to be none of the homeowners business, just like it isnt our business to look at their bank statements to see if they actually have the money to pay us.
Hey Bam, I gave you my three reasons in the Marketing thread, check it out.

Also, regarding your second paragraph, don't you ask for 50% down before you start work? Don't you file a preliminary lien notice on a property for a big project? You ARE making sure they have the money to pay you...

Since the only reason you've given as to why you won't do it is "it ain't none of their business," can you explain a little better why it would hurt you to show your customer?
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Mattsk8, don't take the paragraph thing personally. It just makes it easier to read. Old eyes like white space.

Hang in.

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yeah, I didn't mean to say please and thank you in the request, my bad
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yeah, I didn't mean to say please and thank you in the request, my bad
I'm just miffed 'cause I didn't get to say it first.

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J F, sorry about the snotty comment. I was having a bad day.

That being said, I got the job ! How much do you need down are some of my favorite words !

On a different level, I wonder how much money I've given away "competing" w/ these other prices people are getting. I stuck to my original prices on just about everything here (dropped the kitchen quote a teeny bit) and still got the job. I've learned that I shouldn't compete w/ the hacks people are getting rock bottom quotes from and most of the time it's not even profitable to do business w/ these types of people. I do good work and I should get paid for it, know what I mean??
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No problem, congrats.
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I just bought a computer today. I've been thinking about doing it for about a year. I went through and did maybe twenty different configurations with maybe eight different companies. It's basically the same thing I started out wanting but I got a little more of this and a little less of that.

The computer cost a grand. If I was spending 40k I wouldn't feel guilty in the least for taking 2 years to decide. (not two years of someone else's time; but two years of my own).

It's easy from our point of view to think that the customer is just trying to whittle us down on price due to the economy and our constant hunger for the next deal.

When you put yourself in the clients shoes you can see that much of the time they are merely determining what is going to give them the most VALUE. I spent about as much on a pc as you can but when I made the buy decision I felt like I was getting a great deal because it had EVERYTHING I WANTED.
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All year customers have been asking me for itemized estimates.

Had one guy ask me how much was I spending on materials and how much I make an hour. Penny pinching throughout the whole job. Lives in a gated community in Pinehurst NC. Guy has carpeting in his garage and in the crawl space

"no I dont itemize"

All there going to do is use my estimate to breakdown another contractors estimate.
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All there going to do is use my estimate to breakdown another contractors estimate.
Exactly . I've had it done to me too much lately. I'm sick of investing all that time just so somebody can have a target price to beat by 10%.

I'm not saying I don't do the same thing; I just had HD compete w/ menards pricing but the difference is menards didn't spend 3 days getting me their quote, I went there and looked at the price.

Everyone's looking for a deal these days, but it sucks to be used to save someone $$. The next time I feel like someone's using me for a quote, I'll give them a ridiculously cheap quote. Then when everyone says they won't compete w/ it, I'll say I'm too busy to do it.

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