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Old 11-30-2017, 06:14 AM   #41
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I thought about this, yesterday. Make sure your "professional photographer" is a professional.

I have seen a couple "photographers" start up a business, lately. They aren't really photographers. They are people that buy a camera at Walmart and start up a business. The internet and digital cameras makes it seem like they are professionals.

I personally took 3 years of photography classes and an additional class, years later. I don't consider myself a photographer. Yet, these people are charging for their services when the only thing they did was buy a Nikon D3300 at Walmart and print up business cards.

A true photographer will do really good photographs. It's something that, when you see it, you will know it.
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Pros use pretty much what ever they want. No matter the equipment, there are going to be limitations. You always have to work around those, so equipment is chosen to not have significant limitations for the subject at hand. .
I'm not reading past that. You're just being obtuse. Shift, divert, obfuscate, spin. This isn't politics.
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I thought about this, yesterday. Make sure your "professional photographer" is a professional.

I have seen a couple "photographers" start up a business, lately. They aren't really photographers. They are people that buy a camera at Walmart and start up a business. The internet and digital cameras makes it seem like they are professionals.

I personally took 3 years of photography classes and an additional class, years later. I don't consider myself a photographer. Yet, these people are charging for their services when the only thing they did was buy a Nikon D3300 at Walmart and print up business cards.

A true photographer will do really good photographs. It's something that, when you see it, you will know it.
If they are charging for the service and collecting the money then they are a professional. Doesn't mean they are any good but some people may like what they do. Photography is like art, it's highly subjective.

In this case it's simpler since it's portfolio stuff to display the work done. It's never been easier for an individual to do their own and I'd encourage the OP to jump in and give it a shot, pun intended. If he has an eye for remodeling and what looks good to people, he already has the basics. No need to complicate it. Amateurs argue bodies, pros argue ballheads.
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I am far from a professional. But when my sister got married I took pics along with the pro she hired. Pics that I took are just as nice as the pro and at least I got the color of the dresses correct. They were blue, and in the pro shots they show as purple.

I have a good eye for what looks generally pleasing to others. Technique is where I need more work. Photoshop skills are not lacking.
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Just curious, what do you mean by technique? I think I remember some of those wedding photos.
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buy the camera. it's a one-time investment. so go for it, GOOD-LUCK!
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I'm not reading past that. You're just being obtuse. Shift, divert, obfuscate, spin. This isn't politics.
I missed this when you first posted.

It depends what they're doing and the level they're doing it at. There are boatloads of pros using DSLRs, but I doubt any spent less than a few thousand for their entire set up. Even an expensive pro set up has limitations - DSLR, view camera, there is no one size fits all. Some are still using Hasselblads, but you have to make serious money to justify that kind of outlay.

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buy the camera. it's a one-time investment. so go for it, GOOD-LUCK!

We have an entire TBA thread about " one time investments".
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I missed this when you first posted.

It depends what they're doing and the level they're doing it at. There are boatloads of pros using DSLRs, but I doubt any spent less than a few thousand for their entire set up. Even an expensive pro set up has limitations - DSLR, view camera, there is no one size fits all. Some are still using Hasselblads, but you have to make serious money to justify that kind of outlay.

Same as tools.
Again, we are talking about taking interior shots, not Ansel Adams landscape stuff. Large format cameras aren't
really part of the equation.
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I have 2 DSLRs. 1st one I bought is a Nikon D70s. And at the time it was a good camera. Only problem was it was noisy (picture noise). The photoreceptor chip was a CCD style chip and anything over ISO400 would have noise grain in it unless you had really good lighting.

My next camera, and I got a great black friday deal on in in '15 was the Nikon D3300. It's not a pro camera, but it blows the doors off my D70s which was a prosumer camera.

It's much smaller, which isn't exactly a selling point for me and it's so much lighter, which is nice. It gives better shots, the computer in it is faster and more advanced and best thing is it has a CMOS sensor which give clean pics up to about ISO800 and maybe 1600 if the lighting is good.

I usually keep it in aperture mode and let the camera pick the rest. I usually force it to stay below ISO800 because it really likes to do 1600.

Most of my snapshots are with my phone camera, and I hate it. But it's always with me. If I want nice shots I'll take out the DSLRs and the lighting.
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Again, we are talking about taking interior shots, not Ansel Adams landscape stuff. Large format cameras aren't
really part of the equation.
Large format is PERFECT for interior imaging. FAR superior to DSLRs.

Even a DSLR tilt-shilt lens is severely limited in use compared to LF.

If image quality is THE prime goal, I'll shoot 4x5 every time.
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Large format is PERFECT for interior imaging. FAR superior to DSLRs.

Even a DSLR tilt-shilt lens is severely limited in use compared to LF.

If image quality is THE prime goal, I'll shoot 4x5 every time.
It's perfect for a beginner? The best cameras the world has to offer isn't the issue. The learning curve and expense will be much more, and for what? The cover of Fine Home Builders? That isn't what the thread WAS all about.
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Again, we are talking about taking interior shots, not Ansel Adams landscape stuff. Large format cameras aren't
really part of the equation.

We don't really know what we're talking about, the OP never said.

With a $500 budget, most things are off the table. I tend to come at this from the other end, when some asks. Learn how to make the most of what you have before moving up. Mount the darn camera, and use a remote shutter release if you can get one. Use a level if You're shooting architecture.. Wring your camera out - set up a typical scene, and use every single variation that your phone or cheap digital camera has, even if it makes no sense to try it.

Shoot scenes specifically to see under what conditions the focus or exposure will be fooled.

For lenses, I'd rely on on line evaluations for purchasing. At this level, I don't think you do your own lens evaluation.
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........ The learning curve.............

The learning curve the same. Shutter speed is shutter speed. Aperture is aperture. ISO is ISO. Setting up a tripod is still setting up a tripod. Metering is metering. The only thing MORE you need to know about LF is how the movements work.... if you want to spend 5 minutes learning it.

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........ and expense will be much more, and for what? ..........
Actually, this is TOTALLY FALSE. You can get a 4x5 LF complete setup for the same price as an entry-level DSLR.

Shoot, I've got THREE 4x5 cameras, replete with lenses from 65mm to 300mm, two dozen film holders, cases, bags, all the bells and whistles to make it all work.......... for about 2 grand.
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Black Friday sale on mine was $488 with a Nikon D3300 18-55VR lens, 32GB card, Small case, wireless adapter and a Neewer VK750 II flash. Cheap 3rd party flash but it works great. Can't beat it for $50
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It's perfect for a beginner? The best cameras the world has to offer isn't the issue. The learning curve and expense will be much more, and for what? The cover of Fine Home Builders? That isn't what the thread WAS all about.

If they want to spend the money, yes. It isn't like the film days, where you could go broke paying for film and processing. IMO, the feedback is so much faster and the cost of taking a picture and storing it is so cheap, It's a lot better deal to get into photography now than it used to be.
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The learning curve the same. Shutter speed is shutter speed. Aperture is aperture. ISO is ISO. Setting up a tripod is still setting up a tripod. Metering is metering. The only thing MORE you need to know about LF is how the movements work.... if you want to spend 5 minutes learning it.



for about 2 grand.
Sounds like a good deal.
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We don't really know what we're talking about, the OP never said.

With a $500 budget, most things are off the table. I tend to come at this from the other end, when some asks. Learn how to make the most of what you have before moving up. Mount the darn camera, and use a remote shutter release if you can get one. Use a level if You're shooting architecture.. Wring your camera out - set up a typical scene, and use every single variation that your phone or cheap digital camera has, even if it makes no sense to try it.

Shoot scenes specifically to see under what conditions the focus or exposure will be fooled.

For lenses, I'd rely on on line evaluations for purchasing. At this level, I don't think you do your own lens evaluation.
Sure we do. A guy looking to take his own photos without hiring a photographer. Totally doable, especially these days. I have no clue what cameras run these days but somehow we went from phones to large format. No need to complicate it.

A dslr would be much better than a phone, they're probably cheaper than my last purchase. Interior, you don't need a heavy duty tripod. Could be shot with the timer but a remote would be nice.

For a lense you don't need a 2.8 for light gathering speed. 18mm or at least 24mm zoom, 4f, possibly 5.6 and he should be good to go. I know I've seen the body and lense in Costco for around $500.

Online evaluations would be great IF it's by people that know. I mostly used B&H Photo for ordering. They weren't the cheapest but a good deal without the scamming so typical of the NYC photo dealers who pretty much had the market sewed up.
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The learning curve the same. Shutter speed is shutter speed. Aperture is aperture. ISO is ISO. Setting up a tripod is still setting up a tripod. Metering is metering. The only thing MORE you need to know about LF is how the movements work.... if you want to spend 5 minutes learning it.

Actually, this is TOTALLY FALSE. You can get a 4x5 LF complete setup for the same price as an entry-level DSLR.

Shoot, I've got THREE 4x5 cameras, replete with lenses from 65mm to 300mm, two dozen film holders, cases, bags, all the bells and whistles to make it all work.......... for about 2 grand.
Light is light, and yes, manually it's all the same but you ignored or missed the part where I said aperture priority would be all a newby would need to know how to use and the body would handle the rest. Do your LF cameras do that? I sorta doubt it. Maybe you just need to twist an honest inquiry into an argument? I don't see how you are being helpful.
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If they want to spend the money, yes. It isn't like the film days, where you could go broke paying for film and processing. IMO, the feedback is so much faster and the cost of taking a picture and storing it is so cheap, It's a lot better deal to get into photography now than it used to be.
...which is what I said for medium format so explain how large format might be better.

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