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Old 01-29-2017, 12:20 PM   #21
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Have you tried using his drill/impact to see if its the drill, the bit or what. You have been at it two months with him and he hasn't fired you yet, hang in there. By now I'm sure you have voiced your concern with him, is he a decent boss or a putz? He shouldn't have a problem giving you 5 minutes of his time to work out the kinks.
I have not worked at all with the owner of the company, only supervisors. Legend has it that the only is a magician at everything we do. That's probably very true as he has built an incredibly profitable, much in demand business.

He's also extremely OCD. I haven't seen it yet, but he has an 80 or 100 page procedural manual as to how to perform each and every component of every job down to the Nth degree.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:35 PM   #22
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I don't have any suggestions but if it makes you feel better your question is by far not the stupidest ever asked.
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I don't have any suggestions but if it makes you feel better your question is by far not the stupidest ever asked.
True, but it is rather embarrassing to be 61 with 40+ years in construction having to ask advice as to how to drive a screw.

(A 20 something girl was filling out a form last week and when she got to the "Country" field, she asked my friend if she should put Kansas or the United States)
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He's also extremely OCD. I haven't seen it yet, but he has an 80 or 100 page procedural manual as to how to perform each and every component of every job down to the Nth degree.


That's telling.

If he's concerned with your performance, how come he hasn't shown you the simplified, preferred, most efficient manner?




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True, but it is rather embarrassing to be 61 with 40+ years in construction having to ask advice as to how to drive a screw.

(A 20 something girl was filling out a form last week and when she got to the "Country" field, she asked my friend if she should put Kansas or the United States)
Not embarrassing at all, I always say years of experience doesn't mean you know everything and have nothing to learn. I'm 58 with 42 years experience I could learn something everyday with the right people around.

That girl that doesn't know what country she lives in might just kick your ass driving screws,
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I wish I could somehow practice. If I could have a chance to work alone on the other side of the building for a day or two and take my time without all the "hurry up, hurry up you gotta move much faster" I'm sure I'd come up to speed pretty quickly.
The other guys have driven a zillion more of the exact same screw in the exact same material with the exact same drill. It's just muscle memory, you don't conciously think about how much pressure, how much speed, hold the drill steady etc. After you have done it countless times.
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Me and my crew are currently installing a whole bunch of drop ceiling. I use self tapping lathe screws for the outside angle iron. I had some issues with the self tapping screws sliding off the bit etc. but overall it went pretty well. My guys were in the next room over having a heck of a time. I heard so many groans and yells and screws dropping it was almost comical. We were using the same impact drivers but they were having a harder time. I noticed that it worked well when the impact was as straight and inline with the screw as possible. If you are at any kind of angle the screw wants to travel


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I think it's how drill / impact is held and centered over the screw. & as others have said, speed and pressure play a large part. In the great white north, we use square drive " Robertson", and I still see a lot of people, some with years on the job, driving at highest speed drill has, trying to drive a screw at a weird angle ( you can't drive a Robertson at a 45 ) and camming out of the screw. ( 62 & 40yrs in and I have a few "screw" ups once in awhile !)
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That's telling.

If he's concerned with your performance, how come he hasn't shown you the simplified, preferred, most efficient manner?




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The company is too big and he has too many things going on. It seems as if he relies on the superintendents to train new emps, but three of the four I've worked with don't seem interested in helping at all.
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Me and my crew are currently installing a whole bunch of drop ceiling. I use self tapping lathe screws for the outside angle iron. I had some issues with the self tapping screws sliding off the bit etc. but overall it went pretty well. My guys were in the next room over having a heck of a time. I heard so many groans and yells and screws dropping it was almost comical. We were using the same impact drivers but they were having a harder time. I noticed that it worked well when the impact was as straight and inline with the screw as possible. If you are at any kind of angle the screw wants to travel


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I completely understand being directly inline with the screw, but much of the time that's not possible. Like on the continuous hinge, a some are too high and some are too low. Even on a step stool or on my knees there are some I cannot get lined up with. These cause me the most problems by far.
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I think it's how drill / impact is held and centered over the screw. & as others have said, speed and pressure play a large part. In the great white north, we use square drive " Robertson", and I still see a lot of people, some with years on the job, driving at highest speed drill has, trying to drive a screw at a weird angle ( you can't drive a Robertson at a 45 ) and camming out of the screw. ( 62 & 40yrs in and I have a few "screw" ups once in awhile !)
I'd love it if the screws were Robson instead of phillips. I love those things, especially how the screw sticks to the bit.

Unfortunately all the door hardware we use comes only in Phillips.

P.S. Is it Robson or Robertson?
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P.S. Is it Robson or Robertson?
Robertson

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Not embarrassing at all, I always say years of experience doesn't mean you know everything and have nothing to learn. I'm 58 with 42 years experience I could learn something everyday with the right people around.

That girl that doesn't know what country she lives in might just kick your ass driving screws,
Funny you should mention that. One of the greatest construction tips I've ever received came from an 18 year old girl. It has to do with painting. I've shown this to a few dozen lifelong painters and they are all stunned. And I can tell they are all thinking "Why didn't I think of that?"
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Oops. I've always called them Robson. Of course everyone I work around calls them square drive so hopefully they don't know better.

More proof you can (and should) learn something new every day.
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Me and my crew are currently installing a whole bunch of drop ceiling. I use self tapping lathe screws for the outside angle iron. I had some issues with the self tapping screws sliding off the bit etc. but overall it went pretty well. My guys were in the next room over having a heck of a time. I heard so many groans and yells and screws dropping it was almost comical. We were using the same impact drivers but they were having a harder time. I noticed that it worked well when the impact was as straight and inline with the screw as possible. If you are at any kind of angle the screw wants to travel


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Do you use fencing staples for the angle? I just saw that for the first time a year ago and thought it was pretty clever.
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Sounds like a t handle driver problem. I prefer a pistol grip so the force applied to the screw is in line with the fastener. That's why you're flopping the screws over. It's by far and away the biggest problem with virtually all cordless drills, & drivers. If you have problems with breaking very small drill bits, it's the same issue. The web of your index finger & thumb should lay in the groove on the back side of the driver. You pull the trigger with your middle finger. The index finger lays alongside the tool. It's why all drywall guns are pistol grip.


http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...FUc2gQodcdQP6w

Or the one I just bought:
http://www.dewalt.com/en-us/products...40-ah/dcf622m2
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I always used the corded version of the versa clutch gun for commercial hardware. If there was a halfway decent cordless available I'd likely have gone that way. Very few stripped or snapped screws. Lots of forgiveness if you adjust the clutch. http://www.dewalt.com/products/power...screwgun/dw268

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Self drilling doesn't mean self drilling with those screws. Every guy I worked with predrilled the holes to eliminate all the problems you're having and any potential damage from slipping bits. Just the way I've always seen it done and done it myself.
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I always used the corded version of the versa clutch gun for commercial hardware. If there was a halfway decent cordless available I'd likely have gone that way. Very few stripped or snapped screws. Lots of forgiveness if you adjust the clutch. http://www.dewalt.com/products/power...screwgun/dw268

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Self drilling doesn't mean self drilling with those screws. Every guy I worked with predrilled the holes to eliminate all the problems you're having and any potential damage from slipping bits. Just the way I've always seen it done and done it myself.
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The corded driver you posted is the one I meant to post.
The other one is the cordless brushless version of the versa driver you posted. It's bad ass!
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The corded driver you posted is the one I meant to post.
The other one is the cordless brushless version of the versa driver you posted. It's bad ass!
Looks like it. Wish they had that when I played with commercial doors more often. All I could ever find was a deck/steel framing gun. I remember having to drill out and re tap a bunch of door hinges that a guy over tightened with an impact driver to the point they were frozen. No fun.
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Is there a reason he/they won't let you drill pilot holes?

I've spent a lot of time in and around machine shops and can't think of a single time I haven't used a pilot hole for self tappers going into metal.
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I always used the corded version of the versa clutch gun for commercial hardware. If there was a halfway decent cordless available I'd likely have gone that way. Very few stripped or snapped screws. Lots of forgiveness if you adjust the clutch. http://www.dewalt.com/products/power...screwgun/dw268

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Self drilling doesn't mean self drilling with those screws. Every guy I worked with predrilled the holes to eliminate all the problems you're having and any potential damage from slipping bits. Just the way I've always seen it done and done it myself.
In my limited experience with this type of fastener, that's exactly what I've always done too. But that's not the company way and the owner wants EVERYTHING done exactly how he wants it done.

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