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Potentially Deadly Safety Concerns. Who Do I Speak To?


Balcony rails on a high rise were not engineered (skipped completely... no engineered drawings!) and are deficient in at least 11 engineering standards. The contractor and owner have been informed but the contractor colluded with the fabricator, so... they donít seem to care. The railing has yet to be inspected. It is a matter of life and death, literally. Who do I contact?
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And what exactly is your position in yhis fiasco?

You sound like a disgruntled employee or property owner.

11 engineering standards?

Care to elaborate...

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Given the trade you list, I think I can see the reason for your concern.

Do you have good reason to believe the AHJ will greenlight the work upon inspection?
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And what exactly is your position in yhis fiasco?

You sound like a disgruntled employee or property owner.

11 engineering standards?

Care to elaborate...

PS- welcome to the world of low bid contracting...

I didnít want to elaborate in the original question too much. So, hereís how it stands; I wonít list all 11 deficiencies but Iíll throw out a couple. 1. Railing provided has no ability to pass a horizontal load test. 2. Structural steel within the slab was cut and no engineering change was approved, so it was covered up, rather than using an approved coating. 3. The raw aluminum was not treated or pretreated via the engineering requirements for coastal construction and the coating used is not an approved coating for coastal construction.

My position is not a disgruntled employee. All of the concerns were taken directly to the contractor. They promised to remediate the issues and they did not. I went to the owner and they joined in with the contractorís position (they have units to sell and every day is a new day of construction loan interest). It is actually much worse than just my aforementioned 3 examples. The railing will not take a load. As it sits, it is unsafe.
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Given the trade you list, I think I can see the reason for your concern.

Do you have good reason to believe the AHJ will greenlight the work upon inspection?

I was told directly; ďwe have an engineer that will sign off on anything we put in front of him and a city inspector that will pass itĒ.

I donít know if that is true. Iíve heard all of that many times in my career. Sometimes it was true, sometimes not. As engineers started going to jail in Florida, it seems less and less true but this group is from way off the coast and their engineer might just sign off. As for the inspector, who knows. Itís correct height and tolerances but all the things you canít see? Posts cut off a half inch below the surface, sitting over PT live ends? Thatís not something an inspector can see.
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Why donít you call the inspectors office and have an anonymous conversation? Or send a letter registered mail? if that doesnít work you can always call your local news station.
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I don’t want to have a conversation with the inspector or someone associated with them. The news is not something I would consider, based on the fact that there is no local news. If the inspector is on the take, as they intimated, I’m looking for the next logical governmental AHJ. Is it the State’s Attorneys office? Understand, that this is much more complex than what a typical city inspector deals with (especially since this town has not had a new high rise go up since the real estate bust 12 years ago). So, fire inspector maybe?
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do you have proof of your allegations or is it your opinions/assumptions?
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I donít want to have a conversation with the inspector or someone associated with them. The news is not something I would consider, based on the fact that there is no local news. If the inspector is on the take, as they intimated, Iím looking for the next logical governmental AHJ. Is it the Stateís Attorneys office? Understand, that this is much more complex than what a typical city inspector deals with (especially since this town has not had a new high rise go up since the real estate bust 12 years ago). So, fire inspector maybe?
Im confused.... who cares? Talk managment. Or don't.....

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