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Old 12-11-2019, 11:14 AM   #61
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:03 PM   #62
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Maybe I'm too particular but it seems there would be more uplift resistance and shear strength if the sheathing did not all terminate at the plate/header line, but were occasionally staggered across. Particularly the way the front of the garage is sheathed.
Usually they are strapped with steel too. Simpson brackets around here.
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Why should they know? You are the expert, not them.
Yeah I get that - but I am no mechanic and I understand why the wrench charges 85.00 an hour.

I am not a doctor but I understand the doctor is paying all the people in the building and for the building with what he charges.

Hell my wife has no understanding of business and gets that. It's common sense

I love getting calls for a small handyman project, I always qualify them before I refer to someone. If they are the I got some beer money for a crack head people I educate them. No skin off my ass I am not going anyway. I think 1 of 5 actually appreciates it. Those are the ones I refer
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Old 12-19-2019, 07:54 AM   #64
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All this free estimate stuff is nuts I could spend days giving free estimate s,
I didn't take the time to read 4 pages. I would imagine this has been posted before, but it's worth repeating.

I don't do free estimates. I charge $XX. In 4 years I've had 2 people refuse. One was just the other day. The guy said, "I'm not paying for an estimate. I want it for free." I explained how much time was involved. He understood, but still wouldn't pay. No problem for me. On to the next one.

Now for the shed, I would have given that estimate for free. Over the phone, not going to look at it, just a ball park estimate. I have done that several times.

People don't have a clue how much we have to charge, just to stay in business. They also don't appreciate carpentry as a skill. One time I asked my dad, how much he expected to pay for services. He said, for plumbing and air conditioner guys about $75 an hour. He added, they aren't cheap. For carpentry he said about $20 to $25 an hour.

This is coming from a man who I consider pretty smart. Has a masters degree along with 2 others. Started a company, in the construction field, and had several employees. He did all the bids and payroll, himself.
He just didn't think of carpentry as a skill.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:19 AM   #65
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People don't have a clue how much we have to charge, just to stay in business. They also don't appreciate carpentry as a skill. One time I asked my dad, how much he expected to pay for services. He said, for plumbing and air conditioner guys about $75 an hour. He added, they aren't cheap. For carpentry he said about $20 to $25 an hour.
And thats the salt in the wound, they might appreciate the skill of a carpenter but its not treated as valuable. Specially given the TV reality show rage.

A skilled carpenter builds for long term durability. If the lack of quality doesnt jump out at you from the get-go with do-it-yourselfer renovations start to show up a year or so later

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Old 12-19-2019, 09:20 AM   #66
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A major part of "worth", or what a business can charge is how sought after they make themselves. 100%, you have to differentiate yourself in the market or you have to be close to market rate to get work. I was told that by a seasoned 40 year builder who started building 3 bedroom ranches and became a highly touted luxury home builder when I was 27 in a class for my certified graduate builder course.

That and be viewed as the expert in your field. Matt Risinger slaughters this. He could never do another youtube and hed be busy for 10 years

I set goals to get in the Parade of Homes at 27, and then stay in it. I get one in know matter what i have to do to do it. Got my first in at 31. Keeps the name out there as a top builder.

Expert side being president of the hba was good, but it was much better taking the hba from 134 members to 400. That's another 266 businesses that have listened to me talk about standard vs advanced framing, energy codes, AMA vs manufacturer specific installs etc...

Before I was 30 I would provide lunch to a real estate office to pitch CAPS remodeling. Now I give away 65 tickets to the parade (best 1k i spend) and give to city council, mayors, judge, commissioners, high powered realtors, and sweeten the deal for some with wine tasting certificates and lunch pass to the club on my ticket.

Still go to all of the ribbon cuttings, major functions etc
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Find a niche group and hammer it like a second job if the docket isnt full.

Networking is also great because if you follow the Golden Rule people want to get you work when your slow. We are finishing a siding install for a buddy GC I subbed from him because I put the word out I needed carpenters work for my carpenters during my losing streak. Just finishing the second deck I have gotten since then that contacts found for me

3400 contacts in google and growing.

Getting work is a job in and of itself
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There was an old painter in Lakeway who retired 10 years ago, he was 3 bucks a sq ft higher atleast than anyone I ever heard of and never missed work in 37 years he said. He was the only painter I ever met who networked though
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Jaws is using a quid quo pro to get work lol
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I'm proud to not have had to pay a referral fee in 5 years. But I would in a heart beat if I needed to

On the other hand I hear someone mention legal issues I refer my lawyer and sell him the gig. Same for my mechanic. Same for the couple realtors who are good. Same.for my architect, engineer. Car salesman. Etc... etc...
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That settles it.

I my local bakery has some bad ass cookies that may need to end up on the desk of municipal employees that have recommended my services for local projects.
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I pimp out each and every business or professional I use.

I operate on a very simple theory - "what goes around, comes around".

Jill the owner is now my newest best friend, and I know for a fact, the next time I go there, I'll be treated well.
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SCHMOOZER....
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It doesn't matter if you do bad ass work if only a few people know about it.

I ran into an old lumber yard hand i only spoke to a dozen times at the yard, church etc... who works at the city now at the gas station. I couldn't remember his kids names, pulled up contacts and said hey man, Taylor still playing basketball? Hows Cindy? I sure miss her peach cobbler, where yall going to church now? Tell your mom and them hey..
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:14 AM   #75
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If I talk to someone and they have anything worth knowing I put them in contacts. I have a Danny Home Depot and a Kyla Lowes and a Brian Wrench (mechanic)

I put their last name in notes. I'll never remember it.

I told this the other day somewhere here

I was in the office cleaning up contacts and found a Tony Bi O Tires from Wyoming.... I was like wtf is that

My brother said when we were drunk at the bar in Denver in 16 you talked to a guy who owned a BIg O tires in wyoming. You were like I hunt in wyoming sometimes let me get your info lol

I found one the other day Lisa Autism. A lady I met in 09 who's brother was on council at Lakeway. She was a teacher for autism lol
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It doesn't matter if you do bad ass work if only a few people know about it.

I ran into an old lumber yard hand i only spoke to a dozen times at the yard, church etc... who works at the city now at the gas station. I couldn't remember his kids names, pulled up contacts and said hey man, Taylor still playing basketball? Hows Cindy? I sure miss her peach cobbler, where yall going to church now? Tell your mom and them hey..
When I put a customers phone number into the phone, I always include notes...dogs name, hobbies, etc, etc.

When I take Cleo to the vet, the first question out of her mouth is....been camping lately?
She doesn't have that good of a memory...it's written down in Cleo's folder.

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