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Old 06-18-2015, 12:03 AM   #41
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Balcony looked great last night and early this morning. Had to cancel a previously booked job and lose it unfortunately to go finish him up. HO is crazy sob. Made a big deal about my compressor and miter saw. Made me have to cut everything with miter box and wanted me to put everything in metal studs with a hammer and nails lol. Finished the job but I know deep down he isn't impressed as he commented he is teaching me. Ridiculous. All I know is that I'm not doing more work for them again and that I've probably lost the bathroom job his wife best friend got a quote on. HO even took all the baseboards I installed out so I can install them without compressor. Smh honestly. And catch this now he says the wall isn't straight and makes racial comments on me. Wall is 100% straight and more importantly in the spot it should be. He initially wanted the pocket door to touch the trim of the adjacent door

So he is telling you what tools to use, and removing work you've done already. Just so you can re install it by hand?!
This guy sounds like a lunatic. There is no way in hell that I would stick around for that. I'd also bill him for all the extra time it took to do it his way.
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:22 AM   #42
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So he is telling you what tools to use, and removing work you've done already. Just so you can re install it by hand?!
This guy sounds like a lunatic. There is no way in hell that I would stick around for that. I'd also bill him for all the extra time it took to do it his way.
100% yes! The guy is nuts! When I was installing the pocket door he was even telling me how to do it. Even with the drywall it wasn't 100% touching the floor like 1/8 of an inch and he was even complaining about that
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"…makes racial comments on me." I won't stand for that for me, my crew, or anyone on my job. People who make these comments generally have a low sense of self worth as well as other debilitating head problems. Document well and don't cut him any slack at all. Sorry for your troubles.
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Felt even worse then being an employee. You have no idea what the feeling was like working there


I would take the guy to court just to teach him a lesson after you posted that.
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Did you get paid? If so, put it behind you and move on... don't let crazy make you crazy...

I'd still follow-up on the bathroom... they probably already know this guys MO...

Best of luck... 8^)
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Finished the job but I know deep down he isn't impressed as he commented he is teaching me.
Whether you realize it or not, he's right. I just hope you paid attention & learned from the valuable lesson he taught you.
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Remember smart phone can record conversations with customers or anyone else for that matter. Should have gotten some of those racial remarks recorded as well as other problems he is bitching about. Email the finer points you have recorded to him and I bet his bottom lip quivers while listening. I record every meeting I walk into.

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Recording conversations without their knowledge may not be legal there. Gotta check the state law first.
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Remember smart phone can record conversations with customers or anyone else for that matter. Should have gotten some of those racial remarks recorded as well as other problems he is bitching about. Email the finer points you have recorded to him and I bet his bottom lip quivers while listening. I record every meeting I walk into.

I don't know the laws real well but I'm fairly sure in most cases you can not just go around recording conversations with out another persons consent.

I'm also sure that trying to black mail a person generally does not work out in your favor.
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I wasn't talking about black mailing anyone. Letting them hear first hand what a douche bag they are is a different story. I do go around recording conversations all the time. Most misunderstandings are just that. Letting some one hear the deal they made is enough. Court is not necessary.
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I don't know the laws real well but I'm fairly sure in most cases you can not just go around recording conversations with out another persons consent.

I'm also sure that trying to black mail a person generally does not work out in your favor.

Some states, like MO, only one person in the recorded conversation has to know it's being recorded for it to be legally used in court.
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I wasn't talking about black mailing anyone. Letting them hear first hand what a douche bag they are is a different story. I do go around recording conversations all the time. Most misunderstandings are just that. Letting some one hear the deal they made is enough. Court is not necessary.
I bet as a general contractor you have no issues at all when people find out you go around and record all of their conversations.

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Some states, like MO, only one person in the recorded conversation has to know it's being recorded for it to be legally used in court.
All states would be different I would assume. I was in a car accident a few weeks ago where the other driver was at fault. Every time I gave a statement to my insurance company or theirs, it was asked if it could be recorded. I had nothing to hide so of course I said yes. Once they started the recording they let me know, then asked again if it was ok and again asked if I knew that the conversations were being recorded and if I gave my permission.

I figured it was so that if the case does go to trial that the recorded conversation wouldn't be a hold up trying to figure out if everyone knew they were being recorded or not.

In general I have no issues being recorded. If I know about it first.
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Some states, like MO, only one person in the recorded conversation has to know it's being recorded for it to be legally used in court.
Not here. All parties must consent.
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Felt even worse then being an employee. You have no idea what the feeling was like working there
Uh....yeah. I got a pretty good idea. Sounds worse than I've ever had but I had a couple real doozeys before too. That's why my contract contains this:

Contractor is solely responsible for securing all labor, materials, subcontractor work and other related items included in the Contract, and for scheduling, construction techniques and procedures, and the coordination of all trades and sequences hereunder.



Owner, Owner's agents, or any other parties are prohibited from directing, or attempting to direct in any way, the progress of the work. They are also prohibited from securing labor, materials, subcontractors or other items that substitute or supplant those included herein unless specifically authorized by Contractor in writing.
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Talk to this guy like you would talk to anybody else, and tell him to back off and let you do your job or
he can find someone else, life is to short to go thru this crap, I know , your rep and all that but I can tell you in 35 years of this business they all know to leave me alone or find someone else, and I work all the time. People know when people are assholes and don't take it out on you, important thing is to be honest, whether it hurts you or not. I would just rather give the money back and move on than go to work with a bad attitude and mad, is not worth it, heck just put an end to it either way, chances are he is already known and can't find anyone to work for him, and if your work is good and clean heck, he needs you, like I said just tell him to back off of find another, you'll live to fight another day my friend, doesn't have to be complicated
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Didnt even het paid thats probably the best part. Can i send you the cheque at the end of the month next month cause im selling this place and you knoq closing costs etx but if you need money sooner call me and ill give you something but i am paying you in full

Im probably getting nothing at all
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Didnt even het paid thats probably the best part. Can i send you the cheque at the end of the month next month cause im selling this place and you knoq closing costs etx but if you need money sooner call me and ill give you something but i am paying you in full

Im probably getting nothing at all

Tel him you'll be right over. If he doesn't know how to fill out a check, you can stand there and instruct him.
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You know what I don't get? Why don't guys file liens?

In most cases , it is so powerful .

I ve seen this over and over . guys get sucked into a job, get ran over by the client , then struggle to get paid .


I know, we think " I ll lose their good will, referrals, etc....".

Let me tell you something : if they had any good will toward you , they would pay you, period . so, you ll lose them . you don't have them...nor, do you want them.

I ll go further: most of us can tell these people are bad news on the front side. No one ever pleased them, etc . I avoid them at all costs.

Angies list Is a good source of customers like this....they trust no one .

Write your contracts clear, get money to cover material at minimum, state draw points , stop work if not paid, lien the property correctly if circumstances call for it . you will get their attention .

Even the best attorneys fear liens .

I recently asked a client for a final check, answer was maybe. That Thursday , I filed a lien .
I was promptly paid .

Also, you think this will hurt your reputation? Rethink it...I want people to know that I won't mess around with non payment ....I want that reputation . I'm fair, and flexible, as long as there is honest communication, but I need the money to stay in business and warranty my work.

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