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Old 06-16-2015, 12:34 PM   #21
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Do exactly what the specs in your contract say.
Present him with bill.
If he doesn't pay, file small claims court. As long as you did what you specified you were going to do in the contract no judge will rule against you.
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Old 06-16-2015, 03:15 PM   #22
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If he doesn't pay, file small claims court. As long as you did what you specified you were going to do in the contract no judge will rule against you.
This is tremendously bad advice. Anyone who thinks they ever know what a judge will rule is a fool.

Let's say you win. Now you've got to collect. By the time you're through you'll be making .9 an hour instead of $9.00 an hour on this job.

This job is tuition at contractor school. Everyone here has paid it and those that say they haven't are liars.
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Years later, I'm still getting jobs sold for me from some of my biggest pain in the ass clients. Finish the job to their satisfaction, it very well could pay off in spades for years & years.
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Old 06-16-2015, 03:46 PM   #24
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Years later, I'm still getting jobs sold for me from some of my biggest pain in the ass clients. Finish the job to their satisfaction, it very well could pay off in spades for years & years.
I agree there and have had my share. The thing is that MOST of those PITA people's friends KNOW that person is an asshole.

Lot of times you get benefit of being the one person whom was able to please the dragon so to speak.

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Pin & Creter summed it up very well. My worst customer still sends me referrals and boasts about my work. Actually has called a couple times, I politely declined.

I would let him now tomorrow 8 a.m. you need to meet with him. Get him to tell you EXACTLY what he wants. Write it all down and get him to sign it. Be very firm with the fact you need to finish and cannot continue with him changing his mind every 2 min.

If he cannot provide the details he wants I would give him 2 options

1. I will go to my next job, You write down the exact details of the job. When you provide this I will then fit you back into the schedule ( 2-3 months out at the moment)

2. We can void the contract and proceed time & materials. I charge X amount per hour and 20% on materials.

I have been in your shoes, you cannot continue to let him run your job. Typically these customers are like spoiled children, they don't get their way they throw a tantrum. Once you put them in time out, their attitude changes.

Don't be mean, just let him know you are done with these games. Best of luck.
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This is tremendously bad advice. Anyone who thinks they ever know what a judge will rule is a fool.

Let's say you win. Now you've got to collect. By the time you're through you'll be making .9 an hour instead of $9.00 an hour on this job.

This job is tuition at contractor school. Everyone here has paid it and those that say they haven't are liars.

Having taken a "few" to small claims and won, how is that "bad advice".

Sit in a court room sometime and you will see how a judge treats a "professional" business person with a legitimate contract vs someone who just comes in the court room "shooting their mouth off".
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It seems like sometimes you turn down more work then you are getting if you're doing it right.....A lot of people have expectations that just can't be met.....you can get a good run for 2 years even...but eventually those people are gonna call with a big job that smells like big $$$......but you better turn it down cause the asshole factor is present
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Having taken a "few" to small claims and won, how is that "bad advice".

Sit in a court room sometime and you will see how a judge treats a "professional" business person with a legitimate contract vs someone who just comes in the court room "shooting their mouth off".
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The only way we can evaluate if you really "won" or not is to divide the amount of time you spent plus your expenses into any recovered sums. Do the math and see if you've proved my point, please.
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i vote you stay and finish .
ask him what he does not like and have him be specific.
read what he is saying in your mind and give him one or two options of how you would fix it . Have HIM choose what he likes do it that way ,get done and get out .
even if you only break even or lose a couple hundred bucks it is much better than a guy that will bad mouth you anyone and everyone .
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The only way we can evaluate if you really "won" or not is to divide the amount of time you spent plus your expenses into any recovered sums. Do the math and see if you've proved my point, please.
Winning is only half the battle.
Would you want your company to have the reputation that customers walk all over you and your contracts are basically worthless pieces of paper?

Sorry, not me.
I am a professional.
I draw a contract up and spec everything out that is going into the job.
I am expected to perform the service as specified in the contract.

The customer is expected to honor their side as well. If they don't, there are consequences.
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The only way we can evaluate if you really "won" or not is to divide the amount of time you spent plus your expenses into any recovered sums. Do the math and see if you've proved my point, please.
It's sort of a side topic but I don't make all of my decisions on money alone. Maybe that's a shortcoming on my part, I don't know. But if someone is trying to cheat me it's game on.

I took a gal to court, won, she still didn't pay. I researched my options and found an increase of judgment upon failure to pay law and found a lawyer to put it in motion. He did look at the lien angle but said she had no equity.

It must have been a surprise when her bank let her know the judgment plus attorney fees were extracted from her account by court order.
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It's sort of a side topic but I don't make all of my decisions on money alone. Maybe that's a shortcoming on my part, I don't know. But if someone is trying to cheat me it's game on.

I took a gal to court, won, she still didn't pay. I researched my options and found an increase of judgment upon failure to pay law and found a lawyer to put it in motion. He did look at the lien angle but said she had no equity.

It must have been a surprise when her bank let her know the judgment plus attorney fees were extracted from her account by court order.
It would take a lot to get me to that point, but i am the same. Screw me over and ill spend 10k to get 1k. If it goes that far I will use every available avenue for the rest of my life to screw that person back times 10. Maybe ill mellow out more with more age, i am a lot more apt to let stuff go now as i was 5 years ago.
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It would take a lot to get me to that point, but i am the same. Screw me over and ill spend 10k to get 1k. If it goes that far I will use every available avenue for the rest of my life to screw that person back times 10. Maybe ill mellow out more with more age, i am a lot more apt to let stuff go now as i was 5 years ago.
When you realize you lost $9K to get $1K, and you gave up limited time you never get back, it might get you there quicker... the person who was screwing you over is not likely to change...

So instead of screwing you for a thousand, they added insult to injury to get you to screw yourself out of an additional $9K...

Now, if you could get that money back as well, of course that changes things...

But the courts don't allow you to get your time back or compensated for it...
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Consider it a crash course in PSY/101. Being able to "read" customers is an art, not a science.
The true master can weed out the dip****s before ever starting work. I have yet to attain this level, but I'd rate myself as a brown belt. Every once in a while one will slip through the cracks.

My wife HATES when business is slow and turn down work b/c the customer is a dip****. But, I punted one the other day. 5 phone calls from this guy and I just kept getting more angry on each call - he kept second guessing my work. I won't mention specifics because he is a semi-celebrity. He was suddenly in a big hurry to do a job I bid before Christmas 2014!
(note: If your Mrs. is involved in your business, you've probably heard the same line - "Can't you just put up with it for two days?")
I told him the truth (just part of it). I said I have finals for school and I won't be able to dedicate the attention that he needs for his project.
The truth I didn't tell: "You're an ***-hole and I do not want to deal with you".
If someone is a jerk, but I think I can tolerate them - I raise my price significantly to make up for the misery I'm sure to endure.
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It would take a lot to get me to that point, but i am the same. Screw me over and ill spend 10k to get 1k. If it goes that far I will use every available avenue for the rest of my life to screw that person back times 10. Maybe ill mellow out more with more age, i am a lot more apt to let stuff go now as i was 5 years ago.
This gal was a special case. Thought she was slick, BIG time shopper. Everyday amazon packages showed up. Many went back. I turned a rough work shop into a nice guest room for her office, was happy but she wanted a big special person discount. Since she drives a new Benz and all.
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It's been two days.

Hoping OP didn't choose the balcony.
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We are all business owners here and each job has to be considered on its own.
Just gave my experience that Small Claims is quick and pretty easy when in similar situation.

Assumption had to made that 1) OP had a legal legitimate contract in place.
2) OP performed job in manner that there would be no complaint on workmanship.
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It's been two days.

Hoping OP didn't choose the balcony.
Balcony looked great last night and early this morning. Had to cancel a previously booked job and lose it unfortunately to go finish him up. HO is crazy sob. Made a big deal about my compressor and miter saw. Made me have to cut everything with miter box and wanted me to put everything in metal studs with a hammer and nails lol. Finished the job but I know deep down he isn't impressed as he commented he is teaching me. Ridiculous. All I know is that I'm not doing more work for them again and that I've probably lost the bathroom job his wife best friend got a quote on. HO even took all the baseboards I installed out so I can install them without compressor. Smh honestly. And catch this now he says the wall isn't straight and makes racial comments on me. Wall is 100% straight and more importantly in the spot it should be. He initially wanted the pocket door to touch the trim of the adjacent door
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Balcony looked great last night and early this morning. Had to cancel a previously booked job and lose it unfortunately to go finish him up. HO is crazy sob. Made a big deal about my compressor and miter saw. Made me have to cut everything with miter box and wanted me to put everything in metal studs with a hammer and nails lol. Finished the job but I know deep down he isn't impressed as he commented he is teaching me. Ridiculous. All I know is that I'm not doing more work for them again and that I've probably lost the bathroom job his wife best friend got a quote on. HO even took all the baseboards I installed out so I can install them without compressor. Smh honestly. And catch this now he says the wall isn't straight and makes racial comments on me. Wall is 100% straight and more importantly in the spot it should be. He initially wanted the pocket door to touch the trim of the adjacent door
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