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Old 04-15-2019, 01:10 PM   #1
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Construction is thought to be a likely cause
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:31 PM   #2
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Shame, makes you wonder how a fire can get out of control like that.

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horrible, just horrible
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Yea, about as bad as it could be for a structure like that, apparenelty. Terrible to loose a significant historical structure like that.

2nd only to the Vatican as far a catholic structures?


My guess is a contractor with a hot tar kettle.

Or... contractor with a grudge.
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Shame, makes you wonder how a fire can get out of control like that.


Every minute a fire doubles in size


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Shame, makes you wonder how a fire can get out of control like that.
800 year old dry timbers.

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800 year old dry timbers.



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Im assuming no fire sprinklers as well


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There are those once in a lifetime projects that take years to complete. Then when you look at the fact that it took multiple lifetimes to build it in the first place then it stood there for 800 years it really just makes what happened incomprehensible.
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All Oak over 800 years old. no wonder it burned so hot
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800 year old dry timbers.

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All Oak over 800 years old. no wonder it burned so hot
Agreed, all very good reasons extradionary measures should have been in place to prevent it. I've worked on projects that were all steel and masonry and extreme precautions were employed.
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Agreed, all very good reasons extradionary measures should have been in place to prevent it. I've worked on projects that were all steel and masonry and extreme precautions were employed.


I agree, especially with something of a historical significance like that

When I work at an oil refinery that I do projects at I must have somebody with me all times as a firewatch that literally sits there with a fire extinguisher.

Anything you do with a tool or any activity that could potentially cause a spark requires a firewatch


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I worked in industry for 5 years. A fire watcher was mandatory in 90% of the situations.

We had to down the sprinkler system of the building for a couple of days, fire department and insurance company required a crew of 5 (1 million square foot building) on site for the entire time the system was down. We rode/walked around and had to check in at various fob points. Once we had it up and running again the fire department did an inspection and the insurance company sent in an inspector and underwriter to check the system also.

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Makes you wonder. How do you even get insurance coverage to cover the loss of what just happened?
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Makes you wonder. How do you even get insurance coverage to cover the loss of what just happened?
Anything can be insured for the right price

Seems to me the Fire Watch was non existent, In a building like that you would think that would be of utmost importance.
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I worked in industry for 5 years. A fire watcher was mandatory in 90% of the situations.

We had to down the sprinkler system of the building for a couple of days, fire department and insurance company required a crew of 5 (1 million square foot building) on site for the entire time the system was down. We rode/walked around and had to check in at various fob points. Once we had it up and running again the fire department did an inspection and the insurance company sent in an inspector and underwriter to check the system also.

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this is what i dont understand. why was there nobody watching around the clock? especially on such an old building with no fire prevention materials or systems in place.
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Paris (AFP) - The charred roof of the Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris was once a legend that "astounded the Middle Ages" and still fascinates master carpenters, Thomas Buechi of the Charpente Concept group told AFP.
What does the roof represent for master carpenters?
It is possibly one of the greatest masterpieces for French master carpenters. For a painter it would have been a bit as if the Mona Lisa went up in smoke.
The framework (known as "the forest") was mythical, it was a legend for several reasons. It was so complex that it astounded the Middle Ages.
First of all, it took 50 years to prepare the timber. They began cutting the trees, around 1,500, sometime around the year 1200.
These were laid for a year with the top turned to the North to align them with the energy of the earth.
The bark was then removed and they were immersed in a swamp for 25 years to preserve the wood from fungus and insects.
Around 1225, the wood was removed from the water and the trunks were sawed into beams and allowed to dry for another 25 years.
Given average lifespans at the time, it meant that most of those who cut down the trees never saw the roof structure.
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And now I see this info is already in the other, longer thread about Notre Dame.

Sorry bout that.
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Anything can be insured for the right price

Seems to me the Fire Watch was non existent, In a building like that you would think that would be of utmost importance.
Use to be, one got notoriety for getting their horse, fists, or legs, or breasts insured by Lloyd's of London.

They were the ultimate odds makers.
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Anything can be insured for the right price

Seems to me the Fire Watch was non existent, In a building like that you would think that would be of utmost importance.
Sure. But you have to wonder just what that price might be especially considering the Replacement Cost.
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Look at this nut job, a 37 yr guy was nailed in the city St. Patrick’s Cathedral trying to enter with 4 gallons of gas n a few bottles of lighter fluid. He said he ran out of gas.

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