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Old 12-12-2008, 11:08 AM   #1
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Ya'll hear on the news about the guy with the cleanning business who cleaned the head of homeland security with illegals?

He blames the SS as well as other agencies for not ensuring his employees are all legal workers.
He says the left arm does not know what the right arm is doing, or some excuse like that, with the head just sitting there, referring to the agencies.

It is his responsibility, as an employer, to ensure the ones he hires are indeed legal and able workers, before he hires them out and he is passing off his responsibility to others and feels it is justified.
Just as it is the responsibility of each one of us when we hire employees.

No wonder we are, in part, in the mess we are in... It's always the fault of others for not doing our job..
I don't understand why someone didn't go to work for me today

Hire American workers, never be in that position
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You are only ask for certain types of ID's and you can be sued if you ask for too many. If someone can produce what you feel is a real SS card and a drivers license there is not much you can do.
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You are only ask for certain types of ID's and you can be sued if you ask for too many. If someone can produce what you feel is a real SS card and a drivers license there is not much you can do.
Ditto.

I have heard a few news stories on this event. It sounds to me (as long as the owner isn't a lying scumbag) that he followed the rules and lost his business as a result.

This was supposed to never happen. It was debated heavily that the government would not play fair with a business owner in a scenario just like this one, and it seems to have come true.

If the requirement is to see and make a copy for your files of a couple of forms of ID and you do it and it turns out to be a forgery, how is it fair for you to be held liable? Where do the rules say you have to hire a private investigator to verify the documents?
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Ditto.

I have heard a few news stories on this event. It sounds to me (as long as the owner isn't a lying scumbag) that he followed the rules and lost his business as a result.

This was supposed to never happen. It was debated heavily that the government would not play fair with a business owner in a scenario just like this one, and it seems to have come true.

If the requirement is to see and make a copy for your files of a couple of forms of ID and you do it and it turns out to be a forgery, how is it fair for you to be held liable? Where do the rules say you have to hire a private investigator to verify the documents?
Normal work scenrio I agree. But if not mistaken, I believe they said any business owner having contracts with the government has access to what ever they said, to verify worker's documents are indeed valid and the worker is who they say they are prior to allowing them on a government job.
It should be something every business owner can access, but regardless, if it is in place for owners with government contracts, then it does put it back on the business owner to verify.
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I think you are talking about the database they have / or trying to have?

I don't think this guys has government contracts does he? He was cleaning this guys private home I think.

On a side note -This year I was contacted by the State of Colorado for a random audit of our employees legal status, we had to submit to them our paperwork and copies of our copies of their IDs.

I think that's a good thing.
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Where do the rules say you have to hire a private investigator to verify the documents?
Dunno, but they have to come from the same family of geniuses who determined that here in PA, if you leave a bar drunk and get into trouble, the bartender is held responsible.

These days, nothing is ever the actual schmuck's fault.
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I can't imagine that it would be too hard for SS to set up a website where employers enter in all of the potential employee's info and it gives you a green light (to hire) or red light to call ICE. This would also help the IRS track down people who owe taxes as soon as they apply for a job, not 3-6 months later when they job skip.
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I realize things may have changed, but when they 1st started requiring employers to use the I-9 forms. all they required was that you had copy's of the the required Id's, and they had to be reasonably good. We weren't expected to be to act as a law enforcement agency, or has homeland security.

I think it's a shame that not only is the small business owner usually have the odd's stacked against him but now it seams that were responsible for immigration control
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Just caught this, it happened here in the DC area. The homeowner was Secretary of homeland security.

The maids were SCREENED BY THE SECRET SERVICE OVER for over FOUR YEARS EVERY TWO WEEKS and they never caught the fake ID's.


But the guys gets plugged for not catching the fake ID's WTF


Read the whole story


http://ineedamaid.com/blog/2008/12/t...e-cleaned.html
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geez I guess when I hire more employees I better take a govt official with me so I dont get blamed for not knowing a fake id.
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Here's the story as I have heard it, they do not know if illegal aliens worked in Chertoff's home, they suspect that they did not, I suspect the guy employed illegal aliens and knew it and purposely didn't send them to Chertoff's home. It's pretty easy to spot an illegal alien and in his business he should have used E-Verify, but he chose not to participate, I wonder why, I'd like to see what he was paying those people and if he was withholding and forwarding taxes, if all the employees were properly insured including comp.




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Just caught this, it happened here in the DC area. The homeowner was Secretary of homeland security.

The maids were SCREENED BY THE SECRET SERVICE OVER for over FOUR YEARS EVERY TWO WEEKS and they never caught the fake ID's.


But the guys gets plugged for not catching the fake ID's WTF


Read the whole story


http://ineedamaid.com/blog/2008/12/t...e-cleaned.html


That link is not the story I heard and any ID's they may have used may be real, many states give illegal aliens driver's licenses and even register them to vote (Democrats), regardless I'd bet he knew damn well that some of them are illegal, it's how they operate, he was probably laughing all the way to the bank until he got caught, mix in a few illegals, pay them hardly anything, and hope nobody catches them, it's nothing but pure greed.




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about all the stories are correct as with each post to some degree.
But the infamous word and seeig I brought it up I will research what I am referring to.

"If" you bid on government contracts and "recieve" them, there is a site you go to, to then further verify the athenticity of your workers IDs and ensure they say who they are as well as make sure paperwork to allow them to work in the USA is indeed valid.

This site is for Business owners who actually perform work for the Gov only. My Brother n law does all Government jobs now he is retired, I will shoot him an email and ask to be sure of what I stated as well as get the link to the site. If I am not mistaken you need a contract number to get into the site, but can at least go to the site. He only is a Contractor without employees but has to have the link to give to the subs to verify workers.

There is a difference in what Military & SS check for, I dunno why it isn't all part of the same, it would creat less problems as well as not being paid for overlapping jobs.
The work I did on MenRiv, the Navel weapons station as well as the Naval shipyard, I had to turn in a list of all employees, subs, suppliers that would make deliveries thru the job, salespeople as well, a month prior to start date I had to have a copy of their D/L, SS card, Birth certidicate, & one other I can;t remember, I guess as long as it was a pic ID I think, for their security clearances and different levels of clearances for different areas they would be at.
None of which was for legal status unless a name popped out as wanted for deportation. Then up to a week prior start, I had to go with each sub, salesperson, delivery person, everyone needed for the job except my employees at this time to get them their needed badges for each area. There were several badges for diff levels of clearance to allow access thru and to the area going to. My badges, cliped to each other from my shirt or jacket top pocket to below my waist on each side. Other than the sites all had to be or go thru I also had to go to the offices of the Engineers, planning, ect which required additional security levels. The whole process for all needed including my employees, took 5 business days spent just in the Military Police & what is called the military form of the fbi & cia office.
The ship yard was not as bad as MenRiv, but MenRiv, if you strayed a step or 2 beyond where you were suppose to be or tried to go to the portolet with my escort or who ever was on the list named as my 2nd in the event I was not present, they had M-16s leveled at them, stopped and questioned for about 15 minutes. With us working so close to the missile silos I guess they had no intention of playing around.
Even at the ship yard one spring day, as the day warmed up I took of my jacket and laid it down. I later got a text, (just after Hugo here and cell phones were about non heard of or useless), the only pay phone was just outside the gate next to the Police / guard house. I ran to make the call to answer the text and forgot my jacket inside the gate. After my call I realized this and walked along the gate to where my guys could see me, (unable to hear because of noise from the power plant) I was up against the fence trying to get their attention and before I knew it one them black suvs had pulled up with several guys in it who gout with weapons drawn demanding what i was doing there near their fence. After some explanation and now they guys saw the comotion where I was & was me, walked towards the fence. The officer asked if they knew me and was finally allowed to bring my jacket with my ids on it..
Unreal but part of the job...

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