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Old 06-14-2010, 01:41 PM   #1
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I have known this HVAC guy for about 10years. He just went out on his own 2 months ago. So he has submitted a bid for a large geo project just under 40k for a 10ton system. The thing is he is a one man show, on a large instal.

My concern is
1 take longer to instal as he is one person.

2 is just starting out, don't know his biz side

3 not as professional as I would like. Meaning he doesn't have a lettered truck or shirts, his bid package wasn't a package just one QB sheet.


With that in mind I remember back to when I started out I didn't have all that stuff, but would have loved to do a large project like this. There is no question on if he can do the work, but possibly slowing down the job.

I would like to have him do the project but want to here some feedback from you guys before I pull the trigger.

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Old 06-14-2010, 05:11 PM   #2
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Have you received any other quotes for this project?

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If I could allow for the extra time I would try and use him considering you know his work is good quality. If not maybe you could stipulate that he hires a helper if he wants the job. If he was unknown to me I would not want my job to be the Guinea pig.

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He'll either sink or swim just like the rest of us.
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Go with your gut. Who cares if he has lettering or wears shirts with business name on them. that is just snobby. Why don't you talk to him and tell him what your hesitation is with hiring him. He may surprise you.
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Give him a schedule, and include it in your contract.

Tell him you expect him to keep the project on schedule. Failure to do so can result in a penalty. Or dismissal & replacement.
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I'll take 1 from Morning Wood and 1 from 480 to make my 2.

You know him, so you should be able to talk to him. Explain your needs and apprehensions, and see what he has to say. If he's certain, he should be willing to guarantee results.

Maybe even propose a bonus/penalty scenario.
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Have you received any other quotes for this project?
Yes 3 he was dead center between the other 2 as far as price.
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If I could allow for the extra time I would try and use him considering you know his work is good quality. If not maybe you could stipulate that he hires a helper if he wants the job. If he was unknown to me I would not want my job to be the Guinea pig.

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I could allow some extra time but not much. Maybe a week tops.

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Go with your gut. Who cares if he has lettering or wears shirts with business name on them. that is just snobby. Why don't you talk to him and tell him what your hesitation is with hiring him. He may surprise you.
I do need to talk to him more about it.
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Give him a schedule, and include it in your contract.

Tell him you expect him to keep the project on schedule. Failure to do so can result in a penalty. Or dismissal & replacement.
Yeah see what I was thinking was giving a schedual for him to stick too. Then if he can't some of my guys would jump in to help. Then the price for the help would come off the total. IDK if that would be ok but it sounds ok to me.

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Yes 3 he was dead center between the other 2 as far as price.
So do you not trust the low bid? Was the other two bidders turning in a price so you would have 3 bids but you planned on using the middle guy if he was with in budget?
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Yes 3 he was dead center between the other 2 as far as price.
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With your concerns shouldn't the value of what he will provide have put him at the lowest bid?

Experience, logistics, man power, confidence etc are all worth money, with him having none of that, him being in the middle says something doestn't add up.
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So do you not trust the low bid? Was the other two bidders turning in a price so you would have 3 bids but you planned on using the middle guy if he was with in budget?
The lowest company I really didn't care for. He kept scratching his head and mumbleing this is complicated during the walk through.
Was going to go with the higher priced company as they are my normal go to guys. That was until the new company middle guy asked if he could bid it. I origonally only got the 2 bids then a month later got the 3rd and he was in between the other two.
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With your concerns shouldn't the value of what he will provide have put him at the lowest bid?

Experience, logistics, man power, confidence etc are all worth money, with him having none of that, him being in the middle says something doestn't add up.
Mike as you quoted I said "as far as price" meaning just the dollar sign at the bottum of the bid. That is what I have to decide is if the extra time he will take is worth the lower initial bid cost.


I like helping new contractors out. It makes me feel good. I would be lieing if I didn't admit that.


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Just ride him like a rented mule.

Damn, I just realizes I am a rented mule all day and then when I get home,
the old lady works me around the house like 2 rented mules.

I need to not be the mule.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:43 AM   #15
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Well I went with him. We had a good hour long discussion on every thing. Says it shouldn't be a problem to do it in the time frame. Also said his Dad is willing to help hime out. He is also a licensed HVAC but retired 2 years ago.
The only thing that has really changed is he couldn't line up his excavater in for that time period. So he is going to pay me to dig the field and lines in.

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