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Old 01-29-2019, 10:28 PM   #21
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just have to ask....

are you male or female?....
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:54 PM   #22
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Sounds to me like this software issue is kind of a straw that breaks the camels back type of situation.

I'm getting the impression that it's maybe more about your overall working relationship with the owner, than just this one issue.

If you were making 110K a year, and the boss came and asked for your opinion on the program, then made the decision to go ahead with it, and expected you to implement it, would it be as big a deal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're wrong about it, I'm just wondering if it has more to do with deeper underlying issues with the company.
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just have to ask....

are you male or female?....
. Female
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a little brutally honest here and not trying to demean your position....

but, office staff have always been sorta expendable unless you do a lot of prevailing wage work.

by nature of your gender, in the construction industry and you work for a production builder you probably ain't gonna get a much better offer.

also there is no way in hell you are going to be paid any where near what a guy who is on the job is getting.

not fair but a reality....

plead your case for the job you do & the knowledge you have to keep the wheel moving, while trying to move it faster....

good luck...
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Sounds to me like this software issue is kind of a straw that breaks the camels back type of situation.

I'm getting the impression that it's maybe more about your overall working relationship with the owner, than just this one issue.

If you were making 110K a year, and the boss came and asked for your opinion on the program, then made the decision to go ahead with it, and expected you to implement it, would it be as big a deal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're wrong about it, I'm just wondering if it has more to do with deeper underlying issues with the company.
There are definitely underlying issues. This has happened before. He wanted to move to a completely paperless PO system and just wanted us to throw invoices in the trash without ever opening them. Basically when work is completed in the field the super marks it complete on the calendar and it sends the PO into a queue to be paid. I expressed my concerns that it would be an accounting nightmare on both our end and the vendors end. I was in 100% agreement that 95% of subcontractors labor would work on a PO system where we didn’t need to receive an invoice, but vendors was different I felt like 40% of vendors could work on the autopay PO system. He argued and fought me until I basically gave in and did what he wanted. It took me 6 months to fix the plumbing supply vendors accounting, lumber accounting and a year later I’m still Battling with our ABG group to get rebates bc invoice numbers from vendors don’t match PO numbers from us. I was right exactly what I said would happen, happened and who had to clean up the mess and fix it? ME. Like I said I’m not against change I welcome any ideas that will create efficiencies and make my job easier but when I write down 6 pages of things I do/am responsible for and I know what works best for me to do my job more efficiently, I would appreciate a little respect when I say saving me 2 minutes from emailing a bank a draw request (I have created an email template already typed up & all I do is change the draw # and amount & hit the send button) is the least of my worries. The workload from having 17 jobs at once plus warranty calls and client meetings and staff meetings and communicating with vendors / following up to get material quotes plus entering selections into the program for client approval is where my time is being spent. Instead of throwing one more thing on my plate to start working on, that is already working perfectly fine btw, it would be nice if he would ask what I need help with, or what we can do to make my workload easier. I think on top of the complete disregard for my concerns, I am underpaid and under appreciated.
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a little brutally honest here and not trying to demean your position....

but, office staff have always been sorta expendable unless you do a lot of prevailing wage work.

by nature of your gender, in the construction industry and you work for a production builder you probably ain't gonna get a much better offer.

also there is no way in hell you are going to be paid any where near what a guy who is on the job is getting.

not fair but a reality....

plead your case for the job you do & the knowledge you have to keep the wheel moving, while trying to move it faster....

good luck...<img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/thumbsup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumbsup" class="inlineimg" />
Thanks for the honesty, but I’m not just “office staff” I have 13 years experience as a trim carpenter, flooring installer, vinyl & hardie installer as well as an insurance adjuster/estimator. I do go out in the field and direct the electricians & flooring installers when needed. I do takeoffs and create budgets as well as put contract documents together. Handle insurance audits and communicate with banks/title companies to get construction loans in place and go to closings. I may be a female, but I bring just as much if not more to the table than a man.
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Thanks for the honesty, but I’m not just “office staff” I have 13 years experience as a trim carpenter, flooring installer, vinyl & hardie installer as well as an insurance adjuster/estimator. I do go out in the field and direct the electricians & flooring installers when needed. I do takeoffs and create budgets as well as put contract documents together. Handle insurance audits and communicate with banks/title companies to get construction loans in place and go to closings. I may be a female, but I bring just as much if not more to the table than a man.
ok, cool...

now we know you are feisty, knowledgeable & experienced...

if you are doing more than secretary work you should be compensated.

sounds like you wear an estimator, project manager, superintendent and a HUGE PR hat....

what conversations has you had about your compensation?

go to your boss and lay out just what exactly you do for the company and how much time you expend doing it...

he may need to open his eyes, or have them pried open....

go get'm, certainly sounds like you have the guts and balls for it...
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Basic rule of thumb, you have to pay people more for a poor work environment.

Salesmen can make a lot of money for themselves and the company. Selling close to breakeven is a bad sales strategy. Even I could sell tens of millions gross at a loss, and I don't know anything about sales.
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Thanks!! I truly appreciate everyone’s feedback! I have a lot to think about and decisions to make on where & how to go from here. The last time I asked for a raise I was yelled at and promised a production based bonus I never received. Fast forward 4-1/2 years and I’ve been screamed at in front of other team members and vendors that walked out bc it was so uncomfortable for them to hear him “beating a dead horse”. Sometimes you just need to hear someone else say what you know is true just to push you over the edge by giving you an extra boost of confidence. I’ve never been good at confrontations, and my boss can be extremely intimidating. I think I have had enough and it’s time to draw the line.
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Thanks!! I truly appreciate everyone’s feedback! I have a lot to think about and decisions to make on where & how to go from here. The last time I asked for a raise I was yelled at and promised a production based bonus I never received. Fast forward 4-1/2 years and I’ve been screamed at in front of other team members and vendors that walked out bc it was so uncomfortable for them to hear him “beating a dead horse”. Sometimes you just need to hear someone else say what you know is true just to push you over the edge by giving you an extra boost of confidence. I’ve never been good at confrontations, and my boss can be extremely intimidating. I think I have had enough and it’s time to draw the line.
be careful....

if you draw a line if he don't bite you are out the door...

he yells at you and demeans you in front of others because he is weak and he knows he can intimidate you.

typical bully...

if you have been in the construction business as long as you said, confrontation is nothing new to you.

if you do leave, give him a good smack where it will hurt...

where else can you go?
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If you want to own a piece of something, why not own 100% of your own company.

Around here, carpenter's are in the $25 and up range, handyman may be $50 and up if they're good. Even some of the bad ones make that...

I figure you're in the under $20 range. That's dump truck driver wages.
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Trust me, if I leave they will feel the pain. My construction manager is practically begging me not to leave because he says if I go, he can’t do his job without me and doesn’t want to deal with the train wreck that will occur if leave. The entire team has said this company can’t operate without me I am a vital cog in the wheel. Obviously it can run, but it will be rough and there is no one trained on how to do my job. Hell, I don’t think they truly have any idea of what I actually do much less how I do it. Things just get done. If this doesn’t work out, I can always fall back on insurance adjusting or trim carpentry &#x1f602;&#x1f602; We are having a serious shortage on trim carpenters, unfortunately it seems as though they are a dying breed.
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If you want to own a piece of something, why not own 100% of your own company.

Around here, carpenter's are in the $25 and up range, handyman may be $50 and up if they're good. Even some of the bad ones make that...

I figure you're in the under $20 range. That's dump truck driver wages.

I have put some serious thought into getting my License and just my husband & I build. We could build way less houses a year and make way more money than I’m making now with way less headache and aggravation.

For this company to make enough profit for the owners to make a comfortable salary and pay back what they lost during the recession and pay the overhead budget (over 850k a year right now) we would have to build at least 30-40 houses a year. Unless we add some bigger customs in with bigger profit margins.

I’ve been on the fence for a while trying to decide if this is even worth all the headache.
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More money, less aggravation doesn't sound too bad. .
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be careful....

if you draw a line if he don't bite you are out the door...

he yells at you and demeans you in front of others because he is weak and he knows he can intimidate you.

typical bully...

if you have been in the construction business as long as you said, confrontation is nothing new to you.

if you do leave, give him a good smack where it will hurt...

where else can you go?
to the OP. Worked with and even partnered with a douche like that. It's a dead end and as you are possibly feeling a soul sucking experience.

You probably have a greater indemand skill set than you think. Who's his closest competitor, I'd start there
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Start planning for your future today. If it was me, my future wouldn't be with this guy or his company.
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Truthfully, now that I find out you are a female, I believe this is the root cause of the problems.
I'm sure you can do your job and other jobs, just as well as a man, but I suspect you are making less money, being yelled at, not appreciated, because you are female.

Since I'm not there, I can't say for sure. Is there a possibility you started the job with less responsibility? Did you start out doing minor things and then they figured out you could do alot more. Then as time went on, the responsibilities kept piling up, but the pay didn't keep up?
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be careful....

if you draw a line if he don't bite you are out the door...

he yells at you and demeans you in front of others because he is weak and he knows he can intimidate you.

typical bully...

if you have been in the construction business as long as you said, confrontation is nothing new to you.

if you do leave, give him a good smack where it will hurt...<img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/whistling2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Whistling2" class="inlineimg" />

where else can you go?
to the OP. Worked with and even partnered with a douche like that. It's a dead end and as you are possibly feeling a soul sucking experience.

You probably have a greater indemand skill set than you think. <img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/jester.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Jester" class="inlineimg" /> Who's his closest competitor, I'd start there <img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/thumbsup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumbsup" class="inlineimg" />

Yes. I definitely feel like my soul is being sucked more and more everyday!!
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Truthfully, now that I find out you are a female, I believe this is the root cause of the problems.
I'm sure you can do your job and other jobs, just as well as a man, but I suspect you are making less money, being yelled at, not appreciated, because you are female.

Since I'm not there, I can't say for sure. Is there a possibility you started the job with less responsibility? Did you start out doing minor things and then they figured out you could do alot more. Then as time went on, the responsibilities kept piling up, but the pay didn't keep up?

When I first started we closed 12 customs a year. Nothing over 750K I started at 38,500 yr salary. My responsibilities were less only because there was less volume. I improved their processes and made things better than they had ever had it. Their own words. - not tooting my horn. I used to file for permits, sign checks, run errands, review window and door packages, trim materials etc as well as enter all the selections and get quotes review and pay bills. I went out on the job and documented deficiencies and did final punch outs and coordinated with subs to get it done right. Then we started moving to “pre-sold” models and hired a construction manager. Some of my responsibilities shifted to him basic receptionists skill were shifted to my assistant and I took on a more of an executive/interior designer role. While still adding more responsibilities in an “ownership” role. Hell I just recently put together a financial presentation for the bank president pulling all the p&l reports, equity reports, closed jobs, loan balances, Accounts payable & receivable. Mostly because I know the money better than the owners do. I put together these reports 6 months ago so he could see where the cash flow struggle was and when it didn’t paint the pretty picture he kept painting for us to see he told me the reports were a waste of my time. Stop doing them. They want my construction manager and I to be equal partners and run their company together. He (construction manager) treats clients like crap and 75% of them have complained to me or them. I too have had to go to the owners and complain about how he treated me and they said if it comes down to one of y’all leaving, it’s not going to be you. Yet we are supposed to be equals and I’ve been there longer and he is paid a lot more than me, plus a company truck. He is 90% of the time in his office.
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Your owners have a massive blind spot, but somehow are smart or lucky enough to have you onboard for low wage/high responsibility/stress. Why stick around for that kind of abuse? Those folks aren't going to change.

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