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Old 09-11-2019, 06:34 PM   #121
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Here's the multitude of problems with framing air nailers, production run effiency crap. The crap doesn't hold conpared to a guy who can feel the wood while he's pounding and do a proper kiss up on the last stroke. Anyone advocating air vs hammer for framing has no idea what im talking about, its bean counter speed mentality. Nail guns are not entirely bad, but the crews are with with the air turned up way highet than it should be. You shouldn't be sinking nails with an air gun. If you care about longevity. If anything, underpowered and keep you're hammer with you to flush it up. Nail guns pulverize wood fibers to saw dust, just like a guy wgo doesn't know how to hammer and takes 20 whacks. The fibers are pulverized not split. Here's an example, take 2 sets of 2x', hammer and nail 3/4 whack, kiss up, then take other set, nail gun it. You will be hard pressed to separate the hammer nailed set, the gun, separates with minimal ease. I get it youre commercial settings, production, you'll never frame my house if youre using a gun though.
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Aur guns are for trim....
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The proof is in backing them out. Once you get a hold of the head on a gun nail the ease with which it is removed is crazy when compared to a hand drive. Even and especially a ring shank gun nail vs a ring shank hand drive
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I don't know where you're working at, but here in Cali, you'll fail a framing inspection if your nail heads break the surface of the plywood on shear walls, and you'll get fired if you have to go back and set thousands of nails in shear walls.


So guys are able to adjust their nail guns to set them perfectly. Not that hard to do.

I have worked with guys who'll go over the shear panels with a singlejack, just to snug it all up tight.

Helluva lot faster than hand nailing shear.
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The proof is in backing them out. Once you get a hold of the head on a gun nail the ease with which it is removed is crazy when compared to a hand drive. Even and especially a ring shank gun nail vs a ring shank hand drive
Gun nails backing out has probably never been the cause of failure in an engineered or prescriptively framed structure.
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I only see backing on things like a deck fascia that should have used either bigger nails or ringshank. They look like regular coated not rated for PT. Even galvi is better than plain coated.

All this seems to be solving a problem I don't have. Unless you break up gun nail strips, hand driven nails are different from gun nails.
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Gun nails backing out has probably never been the cause of failure in an engineered or prescriptively framed structure.
I didn't say that but a bigger diameter nail will hold faster than a smaller diameter. It's just physics. Just like a 5/8 anchor has more pull out resistance than a 1/2"
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I don't use epoxy where carpenter's glue is the go to.

Same thing with nails.
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Here's the multitude of problems with framing air nailers, production run effiency crap. The crap doesn't hold conpared to a guy who can feel the wood while he's pounding and do a proper kiss up on the last stroke. Anyone advocating air vs hammer for framing has no idea what im talking about, its bean counter speed mentality. Nail guns are not entirely bad, but the crews are with with the air turned up way highet than it should be. You shouldn't be sinking nails with an air gun. If you care about longevity. If anything, underpowered and keep you're hammer with you to flush it up. Nail guns pulverize wood fibers to saw dust, just like a guy wgo doesn't know how to hammer and takes 20 whacks. The fibers are pulverized not split. Here's an example, take 2 sets of 2x', hammer and nail 3/4 whack, kiss up, then take other set, nail gun it. You will be hard pressed to separate the hammer nailed set, the gun, separates with minimal ease. I get it youre commercial settings, production, you'll never frame my house if youre using a gun though.
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I don't use epoxy where carpenter's glue is the go to.

Same thing with nails.
We always use the hot dip galvies down here. They grip very well.
I just did some demo about 2 weeks ago and the place was framed with spiral stainless steel 16d gun nails
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We always use the hot dip galvies down here. They grip very well.
I just did some demo about 2 weeks ago and the place was framed with spiral stainless steel 16d gun nails

Hot dip holds great, but spiral is even better. I hate to use them if I may have to demo it later, total PITA.
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Re: Nail Gun Vs. Hammer.


I've been using guns for years, gramps always was a hammer guy.

No doubt a hammer can provide more finesse and properly seat sheething tight to framing members. All too often, installers lay down sheething without pressing it to the wall, where the gun won't suck it up...leaving a slight gap. You can hear that in a wall when banging on it with your fist. Same deal with sucking plate to plates tight, or slightly twisted plate to studs. That matters, and gun won't fix it, hammer will.

I remember my 3-4 man crew was framing a 10k apartment building years ago. We started when a different hand bang crew of 7 or more had their first floor walls up. We finished before them. No doubt their work was probably better, and cleaner than our young buck experience, but no way they were feeding their families well either.
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Re: Nail Gun Vs. Hammer.


I think using a nail gun for sheathing is more than good enough.

With framing, I can see more value in hand pounding to control toe nails better. Sadly the labor rates would put you out of business if you wanted to slow down production to do it.
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Im sure the customers or builders wont mind paying more for hammer built homes... haha. To the o.p. how's that tennis elbow?
edit: just realized this thread is 8 years old.. doubt will hear from the OP.


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