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Old 01-09-2011, 02:30 PM   #1
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I feel like I'm the last carpenter to believe the hammer makes a tighter cleaner frame than a gun. I use nail guns to hang shear & roof sheathing things like that but when it comes to framing its all about the hammer. Sure it will take a little longer that doesn't bother me. I admit one of my favorite tools is my SENCO finish pro I wont trim without it.
Does anyone agree or am I the last of my kind
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Old 01-09-2011, 02:32 PM   #2
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I feel like I'm the last carpenter to believe the hammer makes a tighter cleaner frame than a gun. I use nail guns to hang shear & roof sheathing things like that but when it comes to framing its all about the hammer. Sure it will take a little longer that doesn't bother me. I admit one of my favorite tools is my SENCO finish pro I wont trim without it.
Does anyone agree or am I the last of my kind
Don't agree at all. You are the last one of your kind in my eyes.

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your definitely the last of your kind. the only time i prefer a hammer and hand nail is for tacking pieces in place to check them for fit, and drawing pieces together that need to be laminated. after that gun nailing is faster, cleaner and doesnt beat the wood apart. using framing guns are also much better in renovation situations when driving spikes by hand in new lumber going to old disrupts less plaster

i use to work for a guy like you, he didnt understand why things would take so long and why he couldnt make any money..... hmm i wonder, now i make more than what he billed me out for
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i agree i try not to even use a hammer for vinyl siding anymore

it's not the tool in front thats so important but the tool behind the tool
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I disagree... Framing with gun is much more efficient- and as long as one is not a trigger happy neophyte- just as "clean." Careful layout, crowning studs, and good nail placement are going to guarantee a quality framing job. I will check stud to top plate and bottom plates and make sure everything is tight before I stand the wall up. The only time I handnail anything is sometimes with wet treated lumber- on deck blocking where the gun nails with smaller heads tend not to grab as well. Also on rim to deck joists I will hand nail with 20 d hot dips.
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What do ya guys do when your guns are jammed and compressors broke...? Waste time to fix it ooorrrrrr get your friggin hammer?
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What do ya guys do when your guns are jammed and compressors broke...? Waste time to fix it ooorrrrrr get your friggin hammer?
I have never seen a framing crew that only carries 1 compressor and 1 gun per man on a jobsite. Always have backups in trailer.
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get the backup gun or compressor what do you do when ya can't find your mer?
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There is a guy around here that makes his guys handnail everything. And only Milwaukee wormdrives are allowed on the job. He seems to make more money than the rest of the guys so I don't fault him.

I miss the days of being on a framing crew and hand banging everything. There was a rythm to the job , like everyone was banging on a huge drum. You can't get that with nailguns.
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What if all your back up stuff is broke??? Ya might be screwed then, if you can't do it with a hammer or wine cuz it would take to long
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can't argue with that...i'm goin home
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What if all your back up stuff is broke??? Ya might be screwed then, if you can't do it with a hammer or wine cuz it would take to long
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What if all your back up stuff is broke??? Ya might be screwed then, if you can't do it with a hammer or wine cuz it would take to long
Hammers? We don't need no stinkin' hammers.
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I new that I would stand alone on this one but I don't care I still believe the hammer is the best way to achieve a tighter frame. True a carful layout & crowing studs are most important & nail guns do increase production. My customers like to see things done the old school way so for now I will keep my hammer in my hand & not on my belt.
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While you should always have a hammer and nails at the ready, they shouldn't be your only choice for framing. While walking plates to nail joists or rafters, sometimes I will spike in a couple of handrives, just so I don't have that hose dragging around behind me, and the time difference is minimal as opposed to a gun in these situations.

For nailing walls, or anything that requires one hand on the board and one hand on the trigger, guns are the way to go. Sometimes when laminating a couple of members together, I will pin the safety and leave the head proud, so that I can drive it in with my hammer to tighten it up a bit. I am also finding myself with a pouch full of 3" deckmates and an impact handy for those stubborn pieces that come along.

And like somebody else said, it's not the tool that makes a clean frame, it's the operator.
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I'm with ya Saw, although I'm not a framer when my house was built it was framed by 4 amish guys. They used ALL hand tools and did the job quicker and more accurately than anyone that I've ever saw... if I did it all over again I would hire them and its mainly because of the work ethic. I use a lot of power tools but find myself resorting to oldskool methods for many different applications
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I new that I would stand alone on this one but I don't care I still believe the hammer is the best way to achieve a tighter frame. True a carful layout & crowing studs are most important & nail guns do increase production. My customers like to see things done the old school way so for now I will keep my hammer in my hand & not on my belt.
All joking aside, I like to hand nail some things. But are you still hand nailing your headers? What are you doing with laminations of gluelam material? No way would I even try and hand nail that stuff.

You should have both available and use what is best for each application.

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To each their own... But your body is kind of like a machine that has a limited number of revolutions before a part fails... Anything that will extend the days of my working life I am all for- with the provision that quality does not suffer.

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