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Old 12-04-2017, 03:24 PM   #1
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Went to a meeting at an upcoming job with the builder's superintendent and the stucco guy. The job is a limestone base and watertable with stucco above. What had been decided on before (I thought) was that the stucco guy would run his lath, scratch and brown, and then I would come in to do the limestone.

When I get to the meeting, the two of them inform me that the stucco guy doesn't want to take responsibility for setting his weep screed to the right height. Me: so what do you want me to do. All you have to do is set up a laser level and make sure it's run level. Them: but what if he's off 1/2 an inch? Me: it's not rocket science, it just needs to be level. Them: well can you nail 2x4's all the way around the house to represent your limestone and have the stucco guy work to it? Me: No.

Superintendent got so mad at me that he literally walked away talking about who he was gonna call, etc. I started to follow him and realized the conversation was over so I got in my truck and left.

Anyway, had to vent a little. I see no reason I should have to babysit another trade to that extent.
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:37 PM   #2
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If the stucco guys that worried about it why doesn't the builders superintendent pop a line for him or put his own boards on? LOL

If he moves a board or screws it up they are just going to blame it on you.

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.Anyway, had to vent a little. I see no reason I should have to babysit another trade to that extent.
I run into that alot.

Used to be that the supers would take care of the stuff that was "gray"

The stuff that fell into the cracks between the different trade's contracts.

Now they don't even have their own tools on the site.
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As long as they are willing to pay for it, I don't see a problem.

If they are expecting you to do it for free, that's an issue.
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I run into that alot.

Used to be that the supers would take care of the stuff that was "gray"

The stuff that fell into the cracks between the different trade's contracts.

Now they don't even have their own tools on the site.


Unless they can find some schmuck to do it for them.
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WTF? The guy can't figure out level???

They should bring in an old Egyptian.
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Bill:

You are on the wrong board if you think anyone here is sympathetic to people who work for a living. Supply 2x4s? That's nuthin'. Many of these guys think you should supply your own electricity and bucket to piss in.

Coordination between trades is crucial. I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
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Bill:

You are on the wrong board if you think anyone here is sympathetic to people who work for a living. Supply 2x4s? That's nuthin'. Many of these guys think you should supply your own electricity and bucket to piss in.

Coordination between trades is crucial. I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
I get what you're saying and I'm normally the one bending over backwards to make sure the job runs smoothly. My objections to the whole situation were as follows:

1. New builder I haven't worked for before makes immediate demands while at the same time, has not bothered to either sign and return my proposal for the work or send me the requested scheduling deposit.

2. Nailing crooked 2x4's to represent a level line is dumb, especially considering that the stucco man's weep screed is stamped metal and straight.

3. I am on other jobs and not even planning to be near this job for a couple months whereas the stucco guy and builder have full crews there.

4. My suggestion was that the stucco man go ahead and run his weep screed. The builder can check it for him, and if necessary I can come check it before they start running mud. They refused to listen and at this point the superintendent walks off.

Hope that makes the situation more clear. I am no Prima Donna.
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You are in the right. It baffles me how unwilling someguys are to work as a team. I want all my subs happy and I want them to talk to me if they have concerns. So much easier and more enjoyable that way.

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Bill:

You are on the wrong board if you think anyone here is sympathetic to people who work for a living. Supply 2x4s? That's nuthin'. Many of these guys think you should supply your own electricity and bucket to piss in.

Coordination between trades is crucial. I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
Being asked to basically do extra work AND take responsibility for another trade and not willing to do 4 hours of work without an air conditioned pisser is quite different.
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I get what you're saying and I'm normally the one bending over backwards to make sure the job runs smoothly. My objections to the whole situation were as follows:



1. New builder I haven't worked for before makes immediate demands while at the same time, has not bothered to either sign and return my proposal for the work or send me the requested scheduling deposit.



2. Nailing crooked 2x4's to represent a level line is dumb, especially considering that the stucco man's weep screed is stamped metal and straight.



3. I am on other jobs and not even planning to be near this job for a couple months whereas the stucco guy and builder have full crews there.



4. My suggestion was that the stucco man go ahead and run his weep screed. The builder can check it for him, and if necessary I can come check it before they start running mud. They refused to listen and at this point the superintendent walks off.



Hope that makes the situation more clear. I am no Prima Donna.


Seems like a huge red flag!!!! Proceed with caution!!!
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3 Sides to every story...sounds like we got ourselves a prima donna who won't throw the poor stucco guy a bone.
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Bill:

You are on the wrong board if you think anyone here is sympathetic to people who work for a living. Supply 2x4s? That's nuthin'. Many of these guys think you should supply your own electricity and bucket to piss in.

Coordination between trades is crucial. I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
Are you still butthurt over that thread?

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I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
No you wouldn't.

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In a way,we sorta covered this topic in a masonry thread in 2015. You are not wrong in telling them to establish their own points for their work. I can think back several times I tried handing a lumber crayon to a architect,sub,or HO and said make your mark on the wall,we are all watching.


As the previously mentioned discussed,the crux of the issue is hardly any architect knows the proper way to begin stucco,siding etc. above a masonry base. In his book Traditional Construction Patterns,Steve Mouzon has a chapter with plenty of photographs showcasing the correct method. Unfortunately,I can count the times on one hand I've seen it done correctly in over 40 yrs.
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I'd go back to the Super and see if you can't work something out.
I think at this point, following the chain of events so far, the "work something out" part would involve holding the super's hand down on a flat surface, and, let the ball peen hammer do it's job.
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I finally found it ! I talked about it in two threads,the proper way to align siding above a masonry base. For those interested,scroll down to page # 10 . I'm sure if this detail was called out,this pushing match would be a non issue.


http://www.cityofpleasantridge.org/d...tand101915.pdf
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All of which begs the question, isn't it pretty much backasswards to put up the siding/stucco/whatever and then expect the mason to wedge his materials into the leftover space?

I know, in the case of a full wall up to the roof that's unavoidable, but in this situation it seems like common sense to have the stucco guy come in later.
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All of which begs the question, isn't it pretty much backasswards to put up the siding/stucco/whatever and then expect the mason to wedge his materials into the leftover space?

I know, in the case of a full wall up to the roof that's unavoidable, but in this situation it seems like common sense to have the stucco guy come in later.


You're thinking logically Tin. This GC is probably the kind that calls the drywaller before the plumber and electrician.

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