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Old 05-11-2019, 08:31 AM   #1
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Lighting Is Often Overlooked


Hello everyone....
Since lighting is my thing, I wanted to start a discussion on the importance of lighting and how it is often overlooked by homeowners and contractors.

One example is a recent kitchen remodel. The contractor did a great job with the remodel. However, he installed some random LED recessed lighting fixtures in the ceiling without considering the Kelvin Color Temperature. So, he put 6000k temp lights in the room. He obviously did not know how to light a kitchen because it was lit like a hospital room.

Once the lights were swapped out with a much lower temperature, the whole room changed.

So... the lighting matters and it can make a less expensive job feel high end if done right. If anyone has lighting questions, send me a note and I will try to help.

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Old 05-11-2019, 08:34 AM   #2
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I'm getting ready to install some LED fixtures under some kitchen cabinets.

Should they be placed in the back, near the wall or in the center of the cabinets?

The customer wants them mostly for looks, not function.

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I'm getting ready to install some LED fixtures under some kitchen cabinets.

Should they be placed in the back, near the wall or in the center of the cabinets?

The customer wants them mostly for looks, not function.

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The ones you linked to above are ok, but I much prefer these....
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They are:
1. Dimmable
2. Come in 3 color temperatures
3. Easy to wire and do not require a transformer. Wire right to the switch.
4. They come in many different lengths depending upon the cabinet size.

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Mine are also dimmable and 1/2" lower profile...much smaller footprint....important to her.

But you didn't answer the question.
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But you didn't answer the question.
That really depends upon where she wants the light focused. If they are in the back up against the backsplash, then the backsplash will be highlighted and most of the light will be at the rear.

If you move them to the front, then you have more light towards the front of your counterspace too. If your cabinets have a light rail it could block some of that light if installed too close to it.

Choose installing in the center of the cabinets if the homeowner is unsure of what look she/he wants. You can go over there at night and plug one in and hold it underneath and let the homeowner decide.
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Well I didn't know that it gets overlooked with such regularity.

I put as much thought into lighting, as I do into tile color and design, paint color, trim styles, structural integrity, job site order and cleanliness, and on and on, etc.

After all, I am a.....Building Contractor.

This ain't my first rodeo.

And I wouldn't put 6000K lights anywhere. They're obnoxious. I stay around 2700-3000.
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Robie,

I use LED tape with 45 angled channel and a lens at the front edge of the upper cabinet.

The reason for the angled at the front of the cabinet is to prevent looking at the lights while sitting at the table. It also provides an even light. The channel and lens protect the LEDs.

I do not use mounting clips, I drill 90 to the tape mounting surface and through the back corner with an 1/8" bit, counter sink the hole, use 1-1/4" screws to mount the channel. I've tried just 2 sided tape, it did not hold well.

I use GM Lighting because the companies location.

http://www.gmlighting.net/8'_LENGTHS...nting_Channels

3500K is what I normally use, depends on the color of the cabinets and counter top.

http://www.gmlighting.net/12VDC_Stan...ear_Tape_-_30M

For dimmable, use this driver;

http://www.gmlighting.net/12VDC/24VD...ED_Dimmable_PS

I find most lighting is not based on the cabinet layout. I use the cabinet design to set the ceiling lights when I'm doing a remodel.

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The angled channel was used in the upper cabinets also.

These are 2700.

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I was not aware of just how important lighting was until many moons ago,This Old House had a lighting consultant explain the nuances on one episode. Lighting is definitely a very important aspect of design.
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I was not aware of just how important lighting was until many moons ago,This Old House had a lighting consultant explain the nuances on one episode. Lighting is definitely a very important aspect of design.
I can make or break a room just by changing the light bulbs.

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Yup ! No doubt,lighting is important.
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Put 'em in the back, unless someone will be operating them individually and wants to reach the switch more easily. And if operated by a wall switch, back..and don't bring up the alternative to cause decision overload.

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I'll put them wherever she wants but think the back is better...to reflect off the tile back splash.
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Put 'em in the back, unless someone will be operating them individually and wants to reach the switch more easily. And if operated by a wall switch, back..and don't bring up the alternative to cause decision overload.
These are turned off and on by hand motion on the first one in the line of 6. Dimming...same thing.
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It's amazing how most folks still have no idea about light temperature. Only that they "hate fluorescents" or hate "yellow light"....
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I'll put them wherever she wants but think the back is better...to reflect off the tile back splash.
Placed in the back will highlight any lippage on the tile job.
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Well I didn't know that it gets overlooked with such regularity.

I put as much thought into lighting, as I do into tile color and design, paint color, trim styles, structural integrity, job site order and cleanliness, and on and on, etc.

After all, I am a.....Building Contractor.

This ain't my first rodeo.

And I wouldn't put 6000K lights anywhere. They're obnoxious. I stay around 2700-3000.
Well... when I created the thread I was not specifically referring to YOU. The point is that lighting is often an afterthought. Usually for homeowners and often from contractors.
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Color temp is easily addressed after the fact. Poor placement is not. Kitchens especially need some real thought about lighting layout so you're not working in your own shadow, so the lights appear symmetrically spaced from different size cabinets, the fridge, range, etc.
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Well... when I created the thread I was not specifically referring to YOU. The point is that lighting is often an afterthought. Usually for homeowners and often from contractors.

Color temp, intensity & use (Lumens-Fc), diffusion & Shadow and the fixtures light distribution (ies file type understanding) .... Very few get it until what was put in doesn't work.
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Color temp is easily addressed after the fact. Poor placement is not. Kitchens especially need some real thought about lighting layout so you're not working in your own shadow, so the lights appear symmetrically spaced from different size cabinets, the fridge, range, etc.
Did someone say "poor placement"?????

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