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Old 02-27-2012, 09:52 PM   #161
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Well, I'm posting just to keep up on this thread. Union or non-union, both have their place.

Personally I try to train guys as much as possible. Tomorrow I have a middle trained guy coming with me all day to learn how to properly measure a roof, what to look for during an inspection and learn how to diagnose a leak. I think this guy has potential to run a crew or oversee multiple crews.

Unions do train people. However, from my understanding, you cannot take what you learned from them and apply it to a non-union job.
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:53 PM   #162
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Well said. Boy, I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this. Thanks.

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Unions do train people. However, from my understanding, you cannot take what you learned from them and apply it to a non-union job.
So they basically forget how to lay shingles if they are on a non union jobsite?
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Well, still some bashing going on. Let's try to move past that. Focus on how can we, or even can we, raise the bar for the tradesmen.

One more question - who here has apprenticed men through a proper, registered apprenticeship program.

I've done 3 guys. Costs about five thousand per guy. Who else will do this? Or has done this?
Kato, you're pissing in the wind. There is nothing you can do to raise the bar for anyone. Union wages are artificially high because the union bosses own politicians who pass union friendly laws to keep out competition. Prevailing wage laws force private non union employers to pay union wages on public projects because the unions know that they can't compete without govt coercion. Who do you think pays for those overpaid union jobs? The poor shmuck making $20 hr with higher taxes. Wages in a free country are set by supply and demand, plain and simple. If you want to earn more, it's up to you to do it if you want it bad enough instead of whining about how it's not fair.
Let me ask you something. Do you shop at Walmart? Do you pay MSRP for a vehicle or do you haggle with the dealer? Do you shop at HD or Lowes? If you answered yes than you are a hypocrite because you actively profit from inexpensive goods built by low paid workers while complaining about a living wage. Unions are dinosaurs on govt life support. They rule by intimidation. Their time is past due and the sooner they die the better.
Another question, how many people have become millionaires working for the union, not counting the union bosses of course? How many people ( employees and shareholders) have become millionaires working for " greedy corporations" like Microsoft and Apple? Enough said.
I don't mean to bash but there is no other way to put it nicely. Unions are parasites. The fact that millions of members are leaving says it all. Rant over.
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So they basically forget how to lay shingles if they are on a non union jobsite?
Huh? A buddy of mine worked for a company that was union and trained him in all types of flat roofing. He got laid off. After months of waiting for work, he got offered a job from a non-union company.

He was told he can't take that job unless he wants to pay back all the money they invested in him.
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Indiana just became a 'Right To Work" state. No more forcing people to join unions.
I guess the unions are not as popular as they though with the public thanks to their thuggish tactics and intimidation.
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Falcon - I know a lot of this thread ended up about union vs non-union. That's not what I'm trying to discuss here.

I'm trying to discusss and explore ways to up the bar for tradesmen.

Any new or positive ideas will be appreciated.

ps. I know some guys hate the unions, some love 'em. Not the issue here.
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Look at what union greed did to the automakers. Raise thier wages so high, that you pay more for a truck then you can buy a house for. Now there is the two tier system where new guys get half the wage of the older ones.
Seems that the union old timers don't care for the younger guys. So much for the brotherhood.
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I'm not gonna argue with people who have problems with others looking for a decent living. Some of you on here don't have a clue about it. You are the finger pointers & are part of the problem. Everyone is mad in this country & I can see this attitude here with some of you!

This statement about automakers & the unions is just a crock of BS...... Why is it that the foreign carmakers right here in this country that don't have unions, charge as much or more for their cars and trucks????????? Your just passing on what you are led to !
New guys get half the wage because everyone abandoned the unions & are just powerless by themselves..........

To the Op- yes, Join the Union & Be Proud & learn all you can.........
You've been drinking the union koolaid for too long. Foreign carmakers here aren't union because they don't want to go bankrupt like GM and Chrysler.
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Perhaps you should talk to the brothers & sisters of the Wisconsin Education Association Council:

Wisconsin's largest teachers union has a problem.

A union problem.

http://m.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/129700138.html

or how about this nice gem:

Unionized Union Staff Pickets Their ‘Union-Busting’ Union Employer

http://www.timesunion.com/default/ar...st-1352038.php

Stop making things up you union hater.
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You've been drinking the union koolaid for too long. Foreign carmakers here aren't union because they don't want to go bankrupt like GM and Chrysler.
There is a Mitsubishi plant in Bloomington Il that has flourished while GM and Chrysler struggled, and they are union, the same UAW that GM and Chrysler have.
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I live in the southern states. What's a "union" and what do they do?
It's the Mob with a different name.
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Ok, I give up. I guess I'll start my own thread. You guys enjoy your bashing, I'm out of here.
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I thought about joining. then i heard all the issues it leads to from guys in and said no thanks.
no market for union residential work anyway, all the big condos are union
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You are not going to be able to provide for a family of 4 on $27 an hour, when you start adding up the cost of mortgage payments, health insurance, food, utilities, etc.

Well I suppose you could if you rode the bus to work and lived on a steady diet of mac and cheese.


If you can't make it on $27 hr you should have thought about that before you had a couple of kids.
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Well I just read four pages of union, non-union bashing. And a bunch of useless personal tit for tats.

Not one single post on how we can improve the situation for tradesmen.

Hey, it's not for me. I've done my time. Soon to retire. I'm trying to improve the situation for the new guys. Or we will have no tradesmen left.

Not one single constructive sugestion.

Don't worry. I'm sure the world will survive without union trained tradesmen. It has since the beginning of time. I'm sure the pyramid builders weren't union.
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If you can't make it on $27 hr you should have thought about that before you had a couple of kids.
And this is why the middle class is shrinking at an incredibly swift rate in this country.

Keep up the good work.
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Don't worry. I'm sure the world will survive without union trained tradesmen. It has since the beginning of time. I'm sure the pyramid builders weren't union.

He didn't say union, he emphasized trained/licensed. One does not necessarily mean the other.

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If you can't make it on $27 hr you should have thought about that before you had a couple of kids.
Or work for better money.
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Hey Bird man1 what part of the world are you in

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