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Old 03-02-2012, 12:06 AM   #301
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Idaho, USA. Its a state. Lotta farmer turn developer around here
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:09 AM   #302
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Idaho, USA. Its a state. Lotta farmer turn developer around here
That was here to until 2008. Now they are tearing them down again for the farm land.
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Sure i do. It's the latest scam all the lefty "Social Justice" goofs are pushing. It's all based on emotion with no basis in reality in the real world of business.
I fine it funny you speak of scam while in a Military Flight thingy And I do know those guys get paid well
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I fine it funny you speak of scam while in a Military Flight thingy And I do know those guys get paid well

Members of the military are NON-Union
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I did not know that.
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Where is here you have no location listed

My point was all the workers make a living wage, oh that's right you really don't know what that is. Thats when you have the best health ins. available, when you get 10,000 a year vacation pay and you have 5.00 per hour put into your 401K on top of your hourly pay

You guess they can but really don't know, I do know! I know how many hours each step of those homes takes.
Its unfortunate we dont agree on this DWB(but I still like you ).


I am just not as radical as you. I also live by my means. Every family is a small cell,cell in body of goverment. They more cells are sick,the harder illness hits the goverment.

When goverment's body(economy) is anemic and it keeps pumping iron(money) into it via capsules(unions) in only leads to temporary relief(temporary modest economics growth) and does not address the issue(inflation and devalvation of currency,limited availability of job vacancies and etc).

If we had to do what you saying and you are pro-medication type of guy(union) you would kill all the useful cells(small business).
We all know well 75% of contractors are small business with only couple of people on payroll and able to afford limited benefits for their emloyees. 75% of North American small business is just getting by making just enough.

Not everybody wants to eat iron from capsules or even worse sit on IV(welfare).
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There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with people while having a civil debate.
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There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with people while having a civil debate.
I am not that type of guy. As in my opinion of person does not change based on their views...

But a lot of people are and its unfortunate.
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I am not that type of guy. As in my opinion of person does not change based on their views...

But a lot of people are and its unfortunate.
You mean you don't judge people based on their looks and thoughts?

Oh you and I are gonna tussle. How dare you accept people as they are
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Well I like you too TheItalian
I do believe living on this rock of less that 1,000,000 people I have a scued vision of what the unions are doing. I have been doing my own thing now for over 2 1/2 years. I do aspire to be as great of a lot of the folks here. And I do know the unions are out for themselves first and foremost, getting richer and richer off the blood and sweat of their members Kind of like the Italian mafia
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Think out of the box!! Think of the other side of the coin!!!

You don't think big Business has rigged the system in their favor thru political corruption and don't bribe politicians ???? They donate alot more than Unions & they have along with the dark side party, worked hard at it to convince people like you and others that Unions are no good , so more of their big boys can line their pockets some more, off the backs of the working people without nobody to fight for them!
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The union scale has set your scale indirectly some time ago when they could negotiate in good faith. That changed with replacement workers brought on from the Dark side politicians that were supported by big business.

There is no fair negotiating anymore, because of this- and the anti-union propaganda they put out there to get the followers on board.

Do you think Big Companies would, out of the goodness of their hearts,would pay their employees a good wage & benifits??? It is going by the wayside because there are so many "followers" that believe the opposite!
Please, Think out of the Box!!!
OK Darth Vader. I'll give it a shot. Maybe I'll find that Mother Teresa was a union boss.
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Here unions build this subdivision from a farm field to a finished neighborhood. All infrastructure, streets, sidewalks homes from slab to turnkey all at a competitive market place price. Every year some of these models win awards in the parade of homes here on Oahu. The whole time every one is making a living wageGee I wonder how it's done You remember Gentry didn't he die in a boat?
http://www.gentryhawaii.com/
Oh by the way the lazy union guys build the light green one in 60 working days from the time they walk on the slab to turnkey
You can't compare Hawaii to the mainland. You don't have to worry about competition.
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I did not know that.
Everybody knows that the military is union. Look at the lavish pay and the all expense paid vacations they get to exotic locations like Iraq and Afghanistan .
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Sure i do. It's the latest scam all the lefty "Social Justice" goofs are pushing. It's all based on emotion with no basis in reality in the real world of business.
So then you should be the last to complain if some other contractor under cuts your estimates since it's all about making money.
If he can do the job for 20% less than you, well you must be overcharging by 20%.

The unions don't make money from jobs, they make money from their working members paying into the big pot.
I don't see any union contractors complaining about the money they make, so they must be happy with the readily available experienced work force that they can man up a large scale job without having to carry that workforce if there isn't a job.
Seems like a smart business model.
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Everybody knows that the military is union. Look at the lavish pay and the all expense paid vacations they get to exotic locations like Iraq and Afghanistan .
Pull down $100,000 and have your housing, medical, vacation time, higher education paid.
Why do you think we have no need for the draft?
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So then you should be the last to complain if some other contractor under cuts your estimates since it's all about making money.
If he can do the job for 20% less than you, well you must be overcharging by 20%.
Yes, it's called capitalism & it's about making as much money as you can. If someone like union bricklayers doing side jobs for cash undercut me, then they do. So what?? There's plenty of non-union work out here



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I don't see any union contractors complaining about the money they make, so they must be happy with the readily available experienced work force that they can man up a large scale job without having to carry that workforce if there isn't a job.
Seems like a smart business model.

Yeah, it such a smart business model that they need rigged Project Labor Agreements to survive against fair & open competition
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Yes, it's called capitalism & it's about making as much money as you can. If someone like union bricklayers doing side jobs for cash undercut me, then they do. So what?? There's plenty of non-union work out here






Yeah, it such a smart business model that they need rigged Project Labor Agreements to survive against fair & open competition
Maybe in gov't work, but there are plenty of private jobs where the PM's wouldn't even consider anyone but union.
I know somebody who was in the PM side of all the casinos in AC. They would never have considered non-union. There was way too much money at risk. They knew the unions and the capability of their personnel to get the buildings up and operational as fast as possible.
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Maybe in gov't work, but there are plenty of private jobs where the PM's wouldn't even consider anyone but union.
I know somebody who was in the PM side of all the casinos in AC. They would never have considered non-union. There was way too much money at risk. They knew the unions and the capability of their personnel to get the buildings up and operational as fast as possible.


Riiight! Unions and AC casinos go together like democrats and teamsters.
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Everybody knows that the military is union. Look at the lavish pay and the all expense paid vacations they get to exotic locations like Iraq and Afghanistan .
You have no idea how much housing allowance they get over here

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Pull down $100,000 and have your housing, medical, vacation time, higher education paid.
Why do you think we have no need for the draft?
This is why the working man can not afford rent over here, I wish they'd keep them all on base! If both are in and upper ranking they receive 4,800 per month for housing they live in all the most lavish neighborhoods in the nicest homes The Federal gooberment pays prevailing wage, no need for a union.
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