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Old 08-23-2009, 03:54 PM   #41
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pretty simple, grab a few good hands,roll out at six am and make some serious dust. when the italian clown car shows up and looks of confusion abound, calmly stop working and with a smile tell those goons that "these" guys said they could do it for half of "your" price. head down , back to work, no more confusion. been there done that and i will tell you that it will be one of the most enjoyable work days you'll ever have. good luck
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Old 08-23-2009, 05:12 PM   #42
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That guy wouldn't be doing any work for me from that point you found out what he did. If he had walked on site and tried to load up your tools into his truck but you caught him would you let him get away with it. Because thats basically what he's doing. He tried to steal from you.
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I went to bill a HO and they informed me they already paid the electrician for the extras. I was never informed there was extras, he was fired on the spot.
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I doubt anyone else would agree with me on this.

I think what I would do is sit him down with everyone else around and tell him you understand he went back and put in a bid on the job. Then ask him what he would do if he were you? If he acts like he was justified in his actions cut him loose on the spot. If you belive he is remorsefull and says he would understand if you cut him loose then I would consider looking him directly in the eye and telling him he and his brother still have a job but are essentialy on probation and if you even hear a rumor of something like this again they are both gone.

I belive in letting people make mistakes and giveing them a second chance if you really belive they are decent overall. I have learned from some of my mistakes(some I keep repeating) so I think I should give people a chance to learn from theirs. I will admit it backfires once in a while.

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If I was working well with them I'd be pretty conflicted. Not having a previous relationship means they won't have any inherent loyalty to you. On the other hand, it's pretty clearly understood that what they did is firmly out of bounds in a working relationship.

I would probably follow Jim's advice, and considering the HO's approach I might think about talking with him a little before outright firing the guy- you don't necessarily want the HO in the position of feeling like he got a guy fired if he wasn't expecting it.
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I would do like all others and let him go. He basically slept with your wife. He tried to steal your business which is SLIIIIIIIMMMYY and oh yeah shady as hell. Who knows what else he would do. Funny how the pups think they know more than the ole dog runnin the show does. Either way things may go to hell pretty quickly if he is left on your payroll. Also make sure to double check all your suppliers and to let them know he is not an authorized buyer.. he may try to go that route charging stuff to your account too.
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You could be really nice and when hes done tell him he did a great job and have people call you for a reference. After loosing every job for a while maybe he would figure out he screwed up.
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Forget he exists, who cares.
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How could you not can his ass?

Think about it, the homeowner sits you down hands you a cold one and tells you that you have a snake working for you...I think I'd fire him on the spot. Otherwise what will the HO think of you?

This is an act of dishonesty, not far from theft. Do you think the HO would feel comfortable with such individual working on their property?

I tell people straight that I'm messing with their biggest asset, their house, and if there isn't a strong level of comfort between myself and everyother worker we have a problem.

A neighbour of mine collects scrap metal during the summer and removes snow in the winter. He has about a dozen trucks on the road and pays all his employees cash (mostly people on workers comp)...all in all he is a pretty shady rough character but if your good to him he's good to you. He has a rule that if your removing snow and someone else offers you cash to do their laneway your allowed to accept the job as long as you give him half the cash (since its his time, truck and gas). One of his guys pocketed all the cash and he caught wind of it so he kept quiet until a week and a half later on pay-day and quietly told the employee that he knew what he did wrong, he didn't deserve to be paid and piss off.
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Had something similiar happen recently. Handed out some blueprints to get some framing bids and one of the framers calls HO trying to bad mouth me (Never met me and has no clue how I operate) and asking HO to let him bid the job and he could possibly save HO $100K on the job. HO know's he is shady and laughed it off. Now I am cutting off HO info from blue prints before asking for bids. Everyone is HUNGRY around here and with the cut-throat prices I blame it on the times. The framer boat is listed for sale on the board at lumber yard so I know he is hurting. For Pay-Back thinking of having someone act really interested in his boat and tell him they have cash in hand for boat and never show up with the $$$. Already let all the Contractor's I know that he is a Snake.

And No I would never consider asking for another bid from this framer.
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I had a gas company meet me at a job to give me a bid on installing a gas line for a pool heater, they ended up bidding the entire job to the client directly, when they were supposed to give me a bid for the gas line, the client ended up trying to get us to bid against each other, I told her to get someone else and refused to work for her about 6 months later the franchise that tried stealing this job went out of business.

Funny thing is, a friend of mine lives in her neighborhood and when I go to his house I drive right by her house and I can see she never bought a heater from anyone, she ended being a tire kicker.

One of the worst subs for poaching work is aluminum and pavers, I will have an aluminum or paver sub bid a job and many times if I haven't used them before they will try to steal the job.

These subs want to run jobs and be contractors, yet they don't want to go out and find jobs, they would rather try and steal jobs from a GC and then when they don't get future work from us, they wonder why.
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i would just call him and tell him "i dont need your services" or whatever you want. i wouldnt waste my time yelling because it could start a huge problem. i wouldnt even tell him why either, he'll know full well why he was fired.
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Fire him. If the job is close to Charlotte, I will come help you finish. I hate back stabbing ass holes.
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Fire him. If the job is close to Charlotte, I will come help you finish. I hate back stabbing ass holes.
OK. I let him go this morning. Orientated my video cam on top of my front tire inside the wheel well and pointed it directly at the back of the house. This was just in case any craziness was to take place as I was by myself and would need proof if anything went down. I'll be honest, I wanted to rip this guys head off. I'm glad now that nothing happened as the HO more than likely would have found out. Not good.

He really didn't have much to say other than he was sorry and asked for another chance. I told him there is no more chances for something like that. He also asked me not to tell the other GC that refererd him to me. Go figure...I called the other GC at lunch time.

This is funny. When he was pulling out I remembered he had the joist hangers in the back of his truck. I chased him on foot down the road and he kept going. I know he saw me. He stopped about 40 yards away, got out of the truck and yelled "whats up Joe", I said "I need the hangers." He set them on the ground and took off like a bat out of hell before I could get to the truck.

Good day otherwise. Although I worked by myself all day, I was able to hang all the joist and get it 3/4 decked. Had the radio cranked right up as I didn't have to direct people or yell measurments. The GC is buying at the new Olive Garden this Friday night for my troubles and a new framer will be here in the morning.

Word of advice... watch your backs out there guys. There are slimebags everywhere right now. I met an electrician today (Shorts Electric) who is currently owed $256,000 dollars by a local GC. You heard it right, $256,000. Same GC owes a painter (I hired today for a commercial job) $34,000. Down from $54,000. How anybody gets to that point I have no idea, but it's true.

Man, I'm one tired SOB...thanks for all the advice fellas.

Dave R, your 2 hours from me. I'm in Pinehurst. If the framer doesn't show or has no clue when I say we are going to float the roof in today, I may be taking you up on your offer.

Peace.
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Sounds like you did well.

That's a lesson he will never forget. And you will net more respect for doing it too.

Good for you, glad it went well
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One of the worst subs for poaching work is aluminum and pavers, I will have an aluminum or paver sub bid a job and many times if I haven't used them before they will try to steal the job.

These subs want to run jobs and be contractors, yet they don't want to go out and find jobs, they would rather try and steal jobs from a GC and then when they don't get future work from us, they wonder why.
I was doing some electric work for a GC and some guy stopped over, a friend of his who does alum. He was talking to a guy who works for the GC, it sounded like thats what he does. He just wants to steal work.

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OK. I let him go this morning. Orientated my video cam on top of my front tire inside the wheel well and pointed it directly at the back of the house. This was just in case any craziness was to take place as I was by myself and would need proof if anything went down. I'll be honest, I wanted to rip this guys head off. I'm glad now that nothing happened as the HO more than likely would have found out. Not good.

He really didn't have much to say other than he was sorry and asked for another chance. I told him there is no more chances for something like that. He also asked me not to tell the other GC that refererd him to me. Go figure...I called the other GC at lunch time.

This is funny. When he was pulling out I remembered he had the joist hangers in the back of his truck. I chased him on foot down the road and he kept going. I know he saw me. He stopped about 40 yards away, got out of the truck and yelled "whats up Joe", I said "I need the hangers." He set them on the ground and took off like a bat out of hell before I could get to the truck.

Good day otherwise. Although I worked by myself all day, I was able to hang all the joist and get it 3/4 decked. Had the radio cranked right up as I didn't have to direct people or yell measurments. The GC is buying at the new Olive Garden this Friday night for my troubles and a new framer will be here in the morning.

Word of advice... watch your backs out there guys. There are slimebags everywhere right now. I met an electrician today (Shorts Electric) who is currently owed $256,000 dollars by a local GC. You heard it right, $256,000. Same GC owes a painter (I hired today for a commercial job) $34,000. Down from $54,000. How anybody gets to that point I have no idea, but it's true.

Man, I'm one tired SOB...thanks for all the advice fellas.

Dave R, your 2 hours from me. I'm in Pinehurst. If the framer doesn't show or has no clue when I say we are going to float the roof in today, I may be taking you up on your offer.

Peace.
You did good, he screwed up, I do electric work for a gc and never give any of his customers my card because I do gc also. I wouldnt want to bid against him on a job from one of his customers. I wouldnt want someone to do that to me.
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Sounds like you handled it well. Thanks for letting us know how it turned out.

Make sure you post some pics here when it's done.
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Very well done!!! You handled it better than most (including me) I hate f'ing thiefs more than anything. I just fired one of my workers for trying to undercut me on one of our jobs, my own damn employee. Gone!!!!His landlord called me today to see if he was still working as he was 2 months late on his rent. He said he was going to evict him tomorrow. Oh well!!!!
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Nice job Joe. I think this will work out best.

Even though I'm a pissed you had to go thru this, this part made me smile. I can see myself doing this.

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This is funny. When he was pulling out I remembered he had the joist hangers in the back of his truck. I chased him on foot down the road and he kept going. I know he saw me. He stopped about 40 yards away, got out of the truck and yelled "whats up Joe", I said "I need the hangers." He set them on the ground and took off like a bat out of hell before I could get to the truck.
As far as the slimeball GC's your talking about, we got several running around these parts too. I had heard rumors that my excavator was owed $750k by this one guy, I had to pry and ask my guy straight up if it were true and how the hell he got himself in that mess. He obviously didn't want to talk about it but basically confirmed the rumors. I warned him that I heard the guy had the SA on his butt and he better collect what he can before the GC goes to jail. This was about a month ago and I just heard last week that the GC closed up shop and moved to Canada. I just hope this doesn't put my excavator under.

Good news for me though, he was one of the largest custom home builders in my area so it opens up the market a little more for me I just hate seeing the little guys get burned.
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Oh, by the way, can you post the video on youtube and post it here so we can all enjoy watching this A-hole squirm.

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