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Old 08-23-2009, 10:23 AM   #21
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Tell him you got some big $$$ job comming up and you need him to help. He will get all excited about all the money he will make then the next day fire his crackerass.
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:31 AM   #22
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I agree with firing his a$$, but I think you heard enough about that already...


I know a guy who is a union window guy. He has been on and off unemployment because of the lack of jobs his boss gets. He blames the boss for bidding too high......well, what the he77 is the boss supposed to do? Everything union is calculated out for their lazy a$$es.

Anyways, this guy has told me how he would go in on small jobs and undercut his own boss, and do the job on the weekend. I have NO respect for this guy. He pulls this sh!t all the time. Him and his buddies even do residential jobs (siding, roofs, windows) on the weekends sometimes. He thinks it is just great. He figures he needs the money, so it's no harm done. Like I said, I have no respect for this guy, but I have to deal with it because he is an inlaw of the family.
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I think you might be in a catch 22 the problem I see with this situation is now the HO has put himself in the middle because if you fire these guys they might just go off on him for opening his mouth to you and create a fiasco and if you do nothing you look like a fool to the HO.
I would just thank the HO for his honesty with you and explain this scenario to him but let him Know that they will never get another job from you, but if you no longer need them then by all means fire their a$$ and let them know why.
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Besides trying to screw you... he's demonstrated he's a moron for trying to go behind your back in the first place at this point in the process. Letting him finish is taking a huge risk that he's not going to do something else to compromise the project and/or your relationship with the HO.

I think it's a point of pride with between you and your HO as well.

Given the address, a phone, and 24 hours--most of us could find more than a few carpenters willing to show up to finish the project with you.

Firing him will set a nice example for the next guy.
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Besides trying to screw you... he's demonstrated he's a moron for trying to go behind your back in the first place at this point in the process. Letting him finish is taking a huge risk that he's not going to do something else to compromise the project and/or your relationship with the HO.

I think it's a point of pride with between you and your HO as well.

Given the address, a phone, and 24 hours--and most of us could find more than a few carpenters willing to show up to finish the project with you.

Firing him will set a nice example for the next guy.
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x2 with what Chris said.

A bigger mistake is NOT firing him. The customer has shown loyalty to you - I can't imagine what he is thinking after telling you this and seeing the framing sub still on the job.

Find someone - even if it is a temporary, 1x deal situation - to help you finish the job. Regardless, sub must be let go. If any scheduling delays occur - tell the H/O why - I am sure he would be more than understanding.
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He and his brother are Italian kids from Boston. I'm from New England (NY) so we hit it off right away.
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(ok that part was just a joke)

I've said it before and I like saying it so here goes.

A persons character is always revealed in difficulty. "Tough Times" does not cause a person to adopt new ethics....but rather give opportunity to display that which they always were.

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After firing this guy you might make a point of telling everyone you hire in the future that you fired a guy for trying to steal your work.
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Dump the guy, and let him know why.



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I've said it before and I like saying it so here goes.

A persons character is always revealed in difficulty. "Tough Times" does not cause a person to adopt new ethics....but rather give opportunity to display that which they always were.
Well said man I am from the same belief that nobody really ever changes but instead show covert characteristics in different situations.

And don't forget to kick'em hard on the gonads on his way out.
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Dump the guy, and let him know why.

I like that... and I'll probably steal it...

It sounds like the chorus of a song for "Contractor, the Musical" .
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Although I like and agree with the cretive suggestions and would feel compelled to react in a "unfreindly" what does your contract with him say?

You know terms for dismissal , violation of etc.

Let the GC that uses him know no matter what though!
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That sub has betrayed your trust in him,give him the hiway as people like that only bring grief in the long term and short term for that matter,If the roles were reversed how long would you last????????????
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:20 PM   #34
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I think you might be in a catch 22 the problem I see with this situation is now the HO has put himself in the middle because if you fire these guys they might just go off on him for opening his mouth to you and create a fiasco and if you do nothing you look like a fool to the HO.
I would just thank the HO for his honesty with you and explain this scenario to him but let him Know that they will never get another job from you, but if you no longer need them then by all means fire their a$$ and let them know why.
I disagree. Subs are a reflection of our business. The guy has allready proved he has no character. Whats next ? Stealing something from the HO. If the HO was'nt a stand up guy he probably would'nt have mentioned it. Fiasco ? Hell, that guy would not be on my jobsite AND THERE SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT BE A FIASCO WITH ANYONE. BET ON THAT.

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Get another crew in early or even the day before, letting them know what is going on. you may need to pay a bit more, but money is not everything. Then contact the HO and let him know what is going on and than you have the job taken care of. Call the cops, let them know there may be problems on the job, and request a drive by at starting time. Meet the framer at the property line. Explain why what he did is wrong and that he is fired. Have the cops number programmed in the phone and dial them if need be.

That person stole from you and deserves no consideration.

I would also send the HO and his wife to dinner on my dime.
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I disagree. Subs are a reflection of our business. The guy has allready proved he has no character. Whats next ? Stealing something from the HO. If the HO was'nt a stand up guy he probably would'nt have mentioned it. Fiasco ? Hell, that guy would not be on my jobsite AND THERE SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT BE A FIASCO WITH ANYONE. BET ON THAT.

I am not a hothead but I get pissed thinking about it.
Burning bridges and biting the hand that feeds me are two places I don't go.
Agreed.

The trust a HO has in you is a very very precious thing, to be protected and preserved at all costs.

Once they start to question or lose faith in you... it can be a slippery slope to questioning EVERYTHING you do.
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This situation would be embarrasing for me. As I'm sure it is for you. Take control. Rectify the situation and move forward. Keeping that dude on the job will only make you look bad.
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You have to fire him now and he needs to know why. I have had to let guys go for the same reason. Not only do I tell them why but I tell all of the other subs and in particular the person who referred the terminated. Now when I'm interviewing a new sub I tell them the story and hope it sinks in their pea brain.
I agree, fire him first thing in the morning, don't give him a chance to talk his way out of it.

I'd say "I don't have room for thieves on my jobs, your services are no longer needed."

He'll say "what do you mean?"

You'll say "you tried to steal my customer, now get to stepping."

let us know how it goes.

If you can pay him what he's got coming, if not give him a date and stick to it. Guys with this kind of character will come back and steal equipment, materials, badmouth you, or vandalize your job if they don't get their money fairly timley, best to get it done and cut all ties.

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I also agree with what others are saying about the HO, I think he want's the sub gone for his actions and that was his way of telling you so, I think you'll lose some HO respect if you let him finish the job.
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If you can pay him what he's got coming, if not give him a date and stick to it. Guys with this kind of character will come back and steal equipment, materials, badmouth you, or vandalize your job if they don't get their money fairly timley, best to get it done and cut all ties.
Good point!

Have his pay when he shows up and tell him you don't tolerate his style of business and the deal is off.

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