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Old 04-26-2018, 10:42 PM   #61
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I ebb and flow 50-140 guys onsite, many are subs, many are mine. Right now our concrete division is running 500 union carpenters and 300 laborer. Regardless Iím responsible for all production, so anyone late on my site Iím responsible for.

I hear all the excuses. A late here and there I let them know thatís not going to work and tighten it up, the next time itís 2 checks and a via con dios. The crew all knows what happened, how, and why. Thatís the lesson my guys learn. And my foreman letís them know whatís up.


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Way different mentality & attitude on your jobs for a reason...

not much room for compassion on that kind of crew....
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:44 AM   #62
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"Not fitting in"? WTF does that mean?

"Not showing up for work on time" yeah, I know what that means.

"Failed a drug test" yep, I got that.

This isn't employee failure, this is management failure. I hope he gets another job right away with a grateful appreciative competitor. And a raise.
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Here's another way...if you want a more.......................subtle approach

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Copy and paste that....didn't realize the title was right on the screenshot. Family site and all, ya know....
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I got a couple reference points to all this. One, when I was going through police academy, it was NO excuses. There was no acceptable excuse for being late, NEVER. I had a radiator hose blow out on me while going to class. Pulled off, found an auto store, replaced it, go to class 5 minutes late. Had to write a report, 500 words on how to keep my vehicle in good shape so that this wouldn't happen.

Another. I was co-owner of a business. The CEO hires a dope smoking, long haired, beany wearing, 24 year old/living with mother, Vegan, special diet dweeb. Without any practical experience or knowledge, he always had an opinion on on how to do things his way vs the rest of us with 20+ years of engineering and electrical backgrounds.

He was always late and held up major projects everywhere he went. But the CEO loved this guy. His mommy had to drive him everywhere, and, he constantly overslept, which screwed up everyone else's schedule. Finally, after the umpteenth time, I got on his case. He told me to go F myself. The CEO was there and I brought this up to him as a member of the board and co-owner. The CEO told me I should get off the guy's case. I resigned 2 weeks later, and, took the licensing and certifications of the company with me. 6 months later, the dweeb got fired for throwing tantrums, disrupting work and being a general pain in the butt.
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Even a fool could have done better than that CEO.
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Even a fool could have done better than that CEO.
I had been a partner with this guy for 7 years.

Other than getting sympathy for being a Vietnam Vet who got injured in his first tour, he had absolutely no skills in the company he ran, unless you count his friendly demeanor, high five'n, back slap'in, "everything I know comes off a sales brochure" way of conning low level city and government officials into buying his projects ----which never worked (but who cares).

My job was to make his pile of crap systems and designs work. He resented that. He bragged about being the big time project manager, who couldn't manage simple day to day operations.

The guy he hired and his dweeb friend were junior assistant maintenance guys from a bowling alley. The first guy hired, had no experience other than parking cars and bowling. But he was the son in law of the CEO's main supplier of materials (son in law as in "knocked up the guy's daughter, then gets married 9 months later").
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If you work for most ďlargerĒ companies traffic is not an excusable reason to be late, you need to account for traffic. for example when I used to work at the airline if your start time is 7 AM and you badge in at 7:01 it is considered an occurrence and if you had three occurrences within 12 months it was grounds for termination. Now if your car breaks down and at the investigation you can show that it was towed because you have a receipt then they might throw that occurrence out, but traffic or trains isnít a good enough reason


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Yet planes are late all of the time due to traffic and weather.

I don't see a 9-5 as the same thing as what we do. I could choose to go one way and got an hour of traffic when the is normally no traffic and takes 15 minutes.

Now this is the exception and not the rule.

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To the original poster. Have you fired the guy yet? And if so, how did it go?
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Yet planes are late all of the time due to traffic and weather.

I don't see a 9-5 as the same thing as what we do. I could choose to go one way and got an hour of traffic when the is normally no traffic and takes 15 minutes.

Now this is the exception and not the rule.

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Exactly.


One traffic accident can set a guy back 2 hours around here. I don't expect my guys to get to work everyday 2 hours early just in case there may be an accident. And the size of company matters none. A traffic accident for a small company is the same for a large.


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Dear Cowboy....
Sorry parkers5150, eyerolling does not answer my argument as to what "does not fit in" means.

I know this will be much more difficult than pressing an emoji button, but perhaps you could take the time and intellect to articulate an explanation.
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Sorry parkers5150, eyerolling does not answer my argument as to what "does not fit in" means.

I know this will be much more difficult than pressing an emoji button, but perhaps you could take the time and intellect to articulate an explanation.
my emoji translation is the fact that you tried to tell the OP that it was his fault when you clearly have no understanding of his particular situation or whether or not he has the ability to clearly express HIS perception of not fitting in....
... the fact that he is reaching out for help in this situation alone leads me to believe that he in fact is not the one with the problem
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I had been a partner with this guy for 7 years.

Other than getting sympathy for being a Vietnam Vet who got injured in his first tour, he had absolutely no skills in the company he ran, unless you count his friendly demeanor, high five'n, back slap'in, "everything I know comes off a sales brochure" way of conning low level city and government officials into buying his projects ----which never worked (but who cares).

My job was to make his pile of crap systems and designs work. He resented that. He bragged about being the big time project manager, who couldn't manage simple day to day operations.

The guy he hired and his dweeb friend were junior assistant maintenance guys from a bowling alley. The first guy hired, had no experience other than parking cars and bowling. But he was the son in law of the CEO's main supplier of materials (son in law as in "knocked up the guy's daughter, then gets married 9 months later").
Around here they wait the 9 months so that you and I can pay for the hospital bill for their baby.
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I’ll always give a call if I’m going to be late. I’m also usually there early. With the work they are doing on the bridge from Illinois to Missouri, even the phone apps are wrong. I can check it when I leave school, by time I hit bridge 20 minutes later there could be a major backup.
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To the original poster. Have you fired the guy yet? And if so, how did it go?
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I let him know this afternoon. I told him I didnít need him any longer and thanks for everything. He didnít say much!

Thanks everyone for the advise it definitely helped me put down my purse and take care of business!!! And I realize the errors of my ways!!!
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You should give him a reason so he can have an input for the future (for dealing with other employers). You cannot say that he just didn't fit in. You also shouldn't go into too much detail, but you should give him a solid reason if he is already doing a good job. If your contract lets you fire him and you want to do it, why wait? Waiting and prolonging will hurt both him and you. Say your reason and get it done with.
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I was meeting Snobnd at the jobsite for 9am. Got to the shop before 8, packed up my stuff and got on the road at 8:20. Didn't get there til 9:20. It's a 30 minute drive. Traffic through the city was nearly at a standstill and I never saw the reason why. 7 mile backup.

Yesterday I left at 8:35 and got there for 9:05. A little late out of the starting box because I had to fix a boo boo I made the night before on a rail I had finished. Made it 13/16" thick when it was suppose to be 3/4" thick. Set me back 10 minutes. But glad I caught it.
Nothing to do with this thread but you just reminded me I have to grab some stuff out of the shop before I leave! Thanks!
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I just read through this whole monster and "to help him out" keeps coming up...

Why should I worry about helping him out? My company builds things with wood, if someone doesn't make the company money by building things with wood or If they disrupt other people making money for the company then, they need to leave.

We run construction companies not daycares.

I was taught to speak as little as possible when firing someone. You don't have to be a dick about it but you shouldn't try to be friendly about it either. I'd be pissed if someone fired me and did the glad handing bull****.
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Maybe they were trying to "help him out" the door.
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I just read through this whole monster and "to help him out" keeps coming up...

Why should I worry about helping him out? My company builds things with wood, if someone doesn't make the company money by building things with wood or If they disrupt other people making money for the company then, they need to leave.

We run construction companies not daycares.

I was taught to speak as little as possible when firing someone. You don't have to be a dick about it but you shouldn't try to be friendly about it either. I'd be pissed if someone fired me and did the glad handing bull****.
Depends on the situation, if they did something bad then fair enough. But if you part amicably then they will get asked by future employers why they got fired. If they don't have a solid answer or can't make one up, it's a red flag.

I think it's courteous to provide a reference or at least a reason to help them justify it and move forward. And you might be giving them some insight that will help them not to screw up in future!

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