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Old 04-25-2018, 03:22 PM   #41
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I had a guy that showed up 10 minutes late to work regularly.

I told him let's try again after lunch. He was on time then.

Tell your guy you don't need him until after lunch. I bet he will stay past 2 o'clock.



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Old 04-25-2018, 06:42 PM   #42
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I had a guy that showed up 10 minutes late to work regularly.

I told him let's try again after lunch. He was on time then.

Tell your guy you don't need him until after lunch. I bet he will stay past 2 o'clock.



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I need my guys too bad in the morning to get the job done so When I have a guy that shows up 10 minutes late and he says sorry I am 10 minutes late I always say that you are not 10 minutes late you are 20 minutes early...you can sit there til 730


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I need my guys too bad in the morning to get the job done so When I have a guy that shows up 10 minutes late and he says sorry I am 10 minutes late I always say that you are not 10 minutes late you are 20 minutes early...you can sit there til 730


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I need my guys too bad in the morning to get the job done so When I have a guy that shows up 10 minutes late and he says sorry I am 10 minutes late I always say that you are not 10 minutes late you are 20 minutes early...you can sit there til 730


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If my guys are late it's because of a good reason. I don't even question it.


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I had a guy that showed up 10 minutes late to work regularly.

I told him let's try again after lunch. He was on time then.

Tell your guy you don't need him until after lunch. I bet he will stay past 2 o'clock.



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I need my guys too bad in the morning to get the job done so When I have a guy that shows up 10 minutes late and he says sorry I am 10 minutes late I always say that you are not 10 minutes late you are 20 minutes early...you can sit there til 730


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Sometimes you just can’t control it, unexpected highway work, accidents, etc. I take the same bridge/ highway every day for work at the same time. Usually know how much traffic to expect. Yesterday at the same time as always it was backed up couple miles extra. Luckily I noticed the back up forming and took a alternative route but I’m sure a lot of people didn’t or they are so stuck in there ways they just take the same route without thinking about it.
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Fire him so he can spend the whole day doing the side work that he is missing out on before 2pm.

Learn to say NO.

Employee: Can I leave early boss?
Boss: No.
Employee: Why not?
Boss: If you leave early don’t bother coming back.

Personally, I like to tell them I was looking for GOOD help when I found them. I didn’t forget how to look.
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What a bunch of unyielding greedy bastards. No wonder so many people leave and start their own business.
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I kind of understand the 2;00pm thing. It's still a little early. If I'm a good distance from home 3:00pm is shut off time any later and a hour drive becomes a 2 1/2 hour drive
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I was meeting Snobnd at the jobsite for 9am. Got to the shop before 8, packed up my stuff and got on the road at 8:20. Didn't get there til 9:20. It's a 30 minute drive. Traffic through the city was nearly at a standstill and I never saw the reason why. 7 mile backup.

Yesterday I left at 8:35 and got there for 9:05. A little late out of the starting box because I had to fix a boo boo I made the night before on a rail I had finished. Made it 13/16" thick when it was suppose to be 3/4" thick. Set me back 10 minutes. But glad I caught it.
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I kind of understand the 2;00pm thing. It's still a little early. If I'm a good distance from home 3:00pm is shut off time any later and a hour drive becomes a 2 1/2 hour drive
1 hour out is about as far as I like to work from the shop. On rare occasion I'll work farther out, but I hate it.
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Sounds like my brother. He's a fire sprinkler fitter and always early, never late, will work harder, faster and more precise than most people, but wants to pack up at 2:30. Plus, he always seems to have an angry, crappy attitude. Firing isn't easy, even if you give the person plenty of warnings. When I was 25, I was the production manager of a door shop with 26 employees. Majority of the guys were older than me. I had to fire a guy in his mid 30's for being chronically late. He broke down in tears and begged like a child for his job because of having a wife and kids. I about threw up afterwards. Today, 25 years later, I don't think it would bother me one bit, because I realize it's his actions that caused his firing.
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Traffic is out of a persons control. I used to commute all over the San Francisco Bay Area which is hellish. If I was going to be late, the client would get a phone call. Same for when I worked for someone. If I was stuck in traffic they would get a phone call. "Hey, stuck in traffic, I'll be in as soon as possible". Never have I left late for work, without a really good reason.

Sometimes when going to multiple sites you will overrun time and again the next client gets a call saying you are behind schedule and will be there at approximately XX:XX time.

Thanks to modern mapping apps we know an approximate time we will arrive and can call long in advance to say we are running behind.
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For me it all depends on the guy, when my dad had a crew there was always the one guy that showed up every day right at 7 and not a minute early. He was always the last one on the job working because everyone was getting ready for work at 650 and would be on the wall at 7 but he would always be right to the minute then he had to put his boots on and take a leak before he started. Then he had to scrub his tools and wipe the levels down and wouldnít be laying brick til 720

Well if you let him start 10 minutes late then the rest of your guys start thinking that itís ok to be 10 minutes late. Especially if you are paying union wages and benefits 20 minutes adds up to a few bucks

Now currently I donít have a crew and all of my current guys are great and I have no issues if they are a few minutes late. Of course it also makes a huge difference when they text or call to let me know they might be running late but usually they are there before me drinking coffee. Plus all of my current guys go above and beyond to help me with my jobs and business so I donít mind them if they need to leave early or show up late for whatever reason


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Traffic is out of a persons control. I used to commute all over the San Francisco Bay Area which is hellish. If I was going to be late, the client would get a phone call. Same for when I worked for someone. If I was stuck in traffic they would get a phone call. "Hey, stuck in traffic, I'll be in as soon as possible". Never have I left late for work, without a really good reason.


If you work for most ďlargerĒ companies traffic is not an excusable reason to be late, you need to account for traffic. for example when I used to work at the airline if your start time is 7 AM and you badge in at 7:01 it is considered an occurrence and if you had three occurrences within 12 months it was grounds for termination. Now if your car breaks down and at the investigation you can show that it was towed because you have a receipt then they might throw that occurrence out, but traffic or trains isnít a good enough reason


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For me it all depends on the guy, when my dad had a crew there was always the one guy that showed up every day right at 7 and not a minute early. He was always the last one on the job working because everyone was getting ready for work at 650 and would be on the wall at 7 but he would always be right to the minute then he had to put his boots on and take a leak before he started. Then he had to scrub his tools and wipe the levels down and wouldnít be laying brick til 720

Well if you let him start 10 minutes late then the rest of your guys start thinking that itís ok to be 10 minutes late. Especially if you are paying union wages and benefits 20 minutes adds up to a few bucks

Now currently I donít have a crew and all of my current guys are great and I have no issues if they are a few minutes late. Of course it also makes a huge difference when they text or call to let me know they might be running late but usually they are there before me drinking coffee. Plus all of my current guys go above and beyond to help me with my jobs and business so I donít mind them if they need to leave early or show up late for whatever reason


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My point is I wouldn't have anyone working for me that I had to put the hammer on like you do. I couldn't imagine putting a worker on a time out like 5 year old. But if it works for you.... :


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My point is I wouldn't have anyone working for me that I had to put the hammer on like you do. I couldn't imagine putting a worker on a time out like 5 year old. But if it works for you.... :


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When you have enough employees working at one time eventually you will have to deal with situations like that where an employee is chronically late, it is only fair to the other 12 guys that are on time. I wouldnít call it a time out. I wouldnít require a guy to work extra time without paying him therefore why should an employer just be cool with someone showing up late and still getting full pay?

Fortunately I donít have a crew like my dad did back in the day so I donít have to deal with it anymore.

If I recall the minute man started showing up earlier after a few times so I guess he got the point


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When you have enough employees working at one time eventually you will have to deal with situations like that where an employee is chronically late, it is only fair to the other 12 guys that are on time. I wouldnít call it a time out. I wouldnít require a guy to work extra time without paying him therefore why should an employer just be cool with someone showing up late and still getting full pay?

Fortunately I donít have a crew like my dad did back in the day so I donít have to deal with it anymore.

If I recall the minute man started showing up earlier after a few times so I guess he got the point


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You bet on a large commercial crew no other way.

But as a small GC, at least in my opinion, my 3-4 man crew were my personal hooligans. Some needed teaching, encouragement and at times a come to jesus meeting where they left with tears in their eyes.

I loved my 3 guys. They did what ever needed done. If we were not on a big custom job they never knew what they might be doing.

In life chit happens, especially if they have families.

Kids have demands that must be met.

Even when I had big commercial crews this was prevalent.

I would say my somewhat lenient attitude, so long as it was not abused came back to me way more than i paid out.

But not everyone is wired the same way. I grew up in construction with GC's that had families and adopted me in to them.

It's worked for me for 40 plus years and my recent super experience i practiced what i preached, much to the dismay of the GC, but it came back in spades....
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I ebb and flow 50-140 guys onsite, many are subs, many are mine. Right now our concrete division is running 500 union carpenters and 300 laborer. Regardless Iím responsible for all production, so anyone late on my site Iím responsible for.

I hear all the excuses. A late here and there I let them know thatís not going to work and tighten it up, the next time itís 2 checks and a via con dios. The crew all knows what happened, how, and why. Thatís the lesson my guys learn. And my foreman letís them know whatís up.


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You bet on a large commercial crew no other way.



But as a small GC, at least in my opinion, my 3-4 man crew were my personal hooligans. Some needed teaching, encouragement and at times a come to jesus meeting where they left with tears in their eyes.



I loved my 3 guys. They did what ever needed done. If we were not on a big custom job they never knew what they might be doing.



In life chit happens, especially if they have families.



Kids have demands that must be met.



Even when I had big commercial crews this was prevalent.



I would say my somewhat lenient attitude, so long as it was not abused came back to me way more than i paid out.



But not everyone is wired the same way. I grew up in construction with GC's that had families and adopted me in to them.



It's worked for me for 40 plus years and my recent super experience i practiced what i preached, much to the dismay of the GC, but it came back in spades....


I'm not saying they can never be late or have mishap, what I'm saying is if I need to punish an employee we aren't going to be a good fit. If My guys are late I don't even expect a phonecall. I just know they are stuck in traffic.

I wouldn't feel right having to pull a guy to the side to have a talk to. But my company now is never more than 4 guys strong.

I have guys that are very loyal and take care of me as I take care of them. I basically let them do whatever they want, because I trust they have my interest in mind when it comes to the business. You'll find they more or less handle any mishaps between themselves. They don't let each other screw up! Or they will get their balls busted!

This allows me to be the good cop!!!




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