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Old 04-24-2018, 09:55 PM   #21
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:17 PM   #22
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"Not fitting in"? WTF does that mean?

"Not showing up for work on time" yeah, I know what that means.

"Failed a drug test" yep, I got that.

This isn't employee failure, this is management failure. I hope he gets another job right away with a grateful appreciative competitor. And a raise.
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Leo, he only does that on TV. In real life it is by text, so someone else can show/tell the person. Great way to fire someone without having to even talk to them. Far less personal than a text message.


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Leo, he only does that on TV. In real life it is by text, so someone else can show/tell the person. Great way to fire someone without having to even talk to them. Far less personal than a text message.







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So I know Iím being spineless. But I have a guy thatís been working for me for about 10 months. He is probably my most experienced carpenter, Iíll spare the details but heís just not fitting in.

My problem is I like him and I donít have the heart to tell him I donít want him to work for me any longer. I know Iím being weak and if Iím going to run a successful business I need to man up! So ya this sucks...
Yeah there's something missing here. He's your most experienced carpenter but you want to get rid of him? Around here a guy like that gets his ass kissed and can name his price
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Yeah there's something missing here. He's your most experienced carpenter but you want to get rid of him? Around here a guy like that gets his ass kissed and can name his price

His attitude is why a task canít be completed and heís dying to go home by 2:00. Just because he has experience doesnít make him profitable. I definitely have a long way to go on my management skills. Keeping my emotions out of the picture is my next step.
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"Not fitting in"? WTF does that mean?



"Not showing up for work on time" yeah, I know what that means.



"Failed a drug test" yep, I got that.



This isn't employee failure, this is management failure. I hope he gets another job right away with a grateful appreciative competitor. And a raise.


Iíll send him your way
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You can be the best damn Carpenter since Noah, but if I don't like you or you aren't getting along with the crew you have to go. There's no two ways about it.


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His attitude is why a task can’t be completed and he’s dying to go home by 2:00. Just because he has experience doesn’t make him profitable. I definitely have a long way to go on my management skills. Keeping my emotions out of the picture is my next step.
So, insufficient work product. He isn't producing for you. Attitude may be an issue as well, but you should have known in 2 weeks if his output was going to be what you need. You should have pushed him right then and made darn sure he knew your expectations and the consequences of not beating them.

Meanwhile, the guy thinks everything is hunky dory???

You aren't treating your guys right if you don't lay this stuff out for them early and hold them to it.
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His attitude is why a task canít be completed and heís dying to go home by 2:00. Just because he has experience doesnít make him profitable. I definitely have a long way to go on my management skills. Keeping my emotions out of the picture is my next step.
Sounds worse than I thought.

Think of it as him building a long case to be terminated ("separation" is the current word for it). The relevant emotions here are related to the frustration he's been causing to you, your clients, etc., and the drag on your business - all logical. It's not fair to you, your clients, your family, etc. to shoulder that weight. It's not good for anyone's health or hairline, either.

Oh, and his "pain" from the separation isn't your problem, either. He got his problems to be your problems somehow. Make the move and you'll be over the apprehension quicker than you thought.

"Joe, this isn't working out. We need to make some changes in the business and I won't need you as a full timer. Thanks for all the work and i wish you the best. Here's your final check. No, I'm not kidding and this has been a tough decision, but it has to be. Thanks again....
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When I had employees my youngest daughter handled the firing. She had no problem doing it.

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His attitude is why a task canít be completed and heís dying to go home by 2:00. Just because he has experience doesnít make him profitable. I definitely have a long way to go on my management skills. Keeping my emotions out of the picture is my next step.
10 months for this? Seriously?

First week that a guy makes a habit of doing anything counterproductive, that is the end of the game. His game if he changes, or his participation on my team. I only give one warning and no do-overs.

Take this the right way, but the problem is not the employee, it is you for not getting a handle on it the first time around.
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There's a whole lot of would'a, should'a, could'a in these comments. Sometimes you need the help bad enough that you are willing to let some attitude and other traits slide. Sometimes, this the best guy you can get from the pool of people out there.

However, as things grow and change, those annoying traits get to be a problem. Things don't stay static, they change, they grow and they evolve......sometimes for good, sometimes not so good. There's been a lot of bosses I have fired over the years.

Firing is hard, especially if you value your employees. It's also harder if you've just put up with their issues for some time, and, now it's just too big of a problem to ignore or overlook.

Forget the cutesy pie terminology of "transitioning" and so forth, everyone knows that's crap. Face to face, "things aren't working out, today is your last day, here's a week's severance, Thank you for the work you've done, feel free to use me as a reference". That is it, do it, do it quick and private, end of day on a Friday.
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Had a guy few years ago. Used to pick him up on the way to where I parked my truck. I didn't have to say anything to him. Just stopped picking him up lol.


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I hope your joking. If you did that to me, you wouldn't have to pick me up...I'd find you. Be a grown man and talk to the guy.

He's better off to be rid of you.
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I hope your joking. If you did that to me, you wouldn't have to pick me up...I'd find you. Be a grown man and talk to the guy.



He's better off to be rid of you.


Yea I'm sure this $10 an hour drunk loser with no vehicle, broke by Monday, has coming to hunt me down me as his top priority in life.I was like 25 years old and was well over 20 years ago. Were no Mexicans yet here really so these types went from company to company.


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There's a whole lot of would'a, should'a, could'a in these comments. Sometimes you need the help bad enough that you are willing to let some attitude and other traits slide. Sometimes, this the best guy you can get from the pool of people out there.



However, as things grow and change, those annoying traits get to be a problem. Things don't stay static, they change, they grow and they evolve......sometimes for good, sometimes not so good. There's been a lot of bosses I have fired over the years.



Firing is hard, especially if you value your employees. It's also harder if you've just put up with their issues for some time, and, now it's just too big of a problem to ignore or overlook.



Forget the cutesy pie terminology of "transitioning" and so forth, everyone knows that's crap. Face to face, "things aren't working out, today is your last day, here's a week's severance, Thank you for the work you've done, feel free to use me as a reference". That is it, do it, do it quick and private, end of day on a Friday.


This pretty much hits the nail on the head.
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What have you done to try and change his behavior?
Firing someone is easy. Training them to work the way you want them too is the real challenge.

If you've given it a solid effort a few times and he still doesn't comply, by all means fire him ASAP.
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His attitude is why a task canít be completed and heís dying to go home by 2:00. Just because he has experience doesnít make him profitable. I definitely have a long way to go on my management skills. Keeping my emotions out of the picture is my next step.
If he wants to leave at 2:00, send him home at 2:00, and tell him to come back when he can work a FULL day! Drop the tude, or pack sand!! Had many more quit on me than I fired. Your the boss!
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A general was a having problem with his troops morale. Rumors swirled that while the troops barely ate the general got the best food.

The general called the chef to see him. "My friend, You have served me well but I need a favor. Tomorrow you will be executed. Your wife and children will be taken care of as my own family. Thank you."

The next morning the chef was decapitated for stealing rations and selling them. Morale improved.

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