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Old 11-14-2008, 10:04 AM   #21
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Mike, I have been using denshield in Denver for a couple of years and haven't failed an inspection yet for using it in showers.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:21 AM   #22
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inspectors, shminectors...bah...we know what this is realllly all about...



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inspectors, shminectors...bah...we know what this is realllly all about...



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Old 11-14-2008, 01:03 PM   #24
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He offered to dig the hole in the back yard for the body. Said something about he thought he had an old bag of lime in the basement.
That's probably a bad joke in Denver /Aurora today as a code enforcement officer got shot and killed yesterday. The hunt is on.
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Mike don't feel bad. When we (HP) were building the WEWMOBuilding downtown we had all kinds of problems with the inspectors. Many of our problems were fixed behind the scenes because our Operations Manager was good friends with the head inspector. And our building inspector was great to work with - then they would send Rodriquez in and we'd have all kinds of problems all of the sudden. The next job was Cache Bank on 17th and we got Rodriquez who was great and sent the other one and we had problems... depends on what side of the street it is to who is going to work with us that day.
When I have more time I'll have to tell you about the elevator inspector we had.
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Mike, I have been using denshield in Denver for a couple of years and haven't failed an inspection yet for using it in showers.
Isn't that denshield's latest claim to fame, that it can be used where greenboard has been banned by code?




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Mike, I have been using denshield in Denver for a couple of years and haven't failed an inspection yet for using it in showers.
I was going to give you a buzz, I know you've done a crap load more work in Denver than I have and figured I could get the skinny on this from you.

It seems you're under the impression nothing has changed?

What did they do in August? Adopt the 2008, 2006 or some other code?
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Yeah they went to 2006 IRC and the big change in NEC is everything is either arc faulted or GFCI protected. As far as code changes regarding shower walls the only change is no green drywall, finally When you pull permits make sure you put denshield on walls above tub or something similiar so the plans examiner can see what your using, I have gotten kerdi passed thru inspections but I sent literature and met with plumbing inspector before hand. I have used wonderboard, denshield, easyboard, permabase, hardybacker with no problems from inspectors, who was the inspector? Clyde, Steve or ?

Yeah Mickeyco I used that sales speil as well my latest is kerdi you can shower without tiles on the walls!
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Cool. Don't know who he was, I wasn't there and from the story he was in and out in a flash.

2nd guy might have been Paul? I got a voice mail from a Paul from Denver building today requesting I call him Monday morning.

Maybe he has approval for my invoice!

I'm about 99% positive then if they adopted the 2006 IRC in August, that this is all over an inspectors confusion over green board, cause as I recall that was one of the changes, plus I kept hearing it from every inspector for about 6 months - make sure you don't use green board in wet areas anymore... it won't be code anymore.... obviously there must have been plenty doing it if they felt there was an audience to hear that from them over and over again.

Man, I gotta really love the line he threw at my guy on his way out the door - tell your boss to learn the code so he can stop wasting my time.

Uh huh, real genius they got there.
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Isn't that denshield's latest claim to fame, that it can be used where greenboard has been banned by code?
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Claim to fame is over cement board.

Everybody with an once of caring about what they were doing switch to cement board over green board long ago.
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Mike, you have no idea how many hacks there are in denver doing the H.O. pulls permit and hack does the work. I have gotten to know the inspectors and they tell me are sorts of horror stories where green board and mastic are the tools of the hack. I have found them very reasonable and if there is a code question I respond with "let me get my code book and just double check myself" so as no to question him directly. Try to meet them on the 1st couple jobs so they know your company only does code compliant work, one inspector told me there was a 200% increase in contractor applications and the ones who got licensed are being watched a little closer. I have the same inspectors for years now and it is nice when they pull up and say Hi Kevin you ready for me?

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Read you on that.
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Yummm.... green board and mastic in the shower... make sure it's 18's too.
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Claim to fame is over cement board.

Everybody with an once of caring about what they were doing switch to cement board over green board long ago.
I was talking about a brochure I saw, wasted a lot of time looking for it, did a google search, top link, doh.


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woah ... Mickey came upstairs.
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Yeah, but we know his talented photo shop abilities. That monkey in the corner looks a bit suspicous to me.

Hey, see I told you today was a new day and all would be better.

A customer just called and left me a voice mail, said he found a faucet he liked better at a retail store and wanted to know if he could switch it out for the one we had already spec'd out and had on order. He said now get this.... I realize there is probably a restocking charge, but that's okay just let me know... and then... here's where I know I'm living a good clean life and being rewarded by the big guy... he said I know you guys have mark up for profit so just work it out and put that mark up on the one I am buying and add it to the bill so it doesn't effect you negatively for me buying the faucet. Now that's somethin!
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Yeah, but we know his talented photo shop abilities. That monkey in the corner looks a bit suspicous to me.

Hey, see I told you today was a new day and all would be better.

A customer just called and left me a voice mail, said he found a faucet he liked better at a retail store and wanted to know if he could switch it out for the one we had already spec'd out and had on order. He said now get this.... I realize there is probably a restocking charge, but that's okay just let me know... and then... here's where I know I'm living a good clean life and being rewarded by the big guy... he said I know you guys have mark up for profit so just work it out and put that mark up on the one I am buying and add it to the bill so it doesn't effect you negatively for me buying the faucet. Now that's somethin!
That is something, a considerate client who respects you and how you need to do business. Those are the ones that I always feel good about giving the best deal possible.
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That's probably a bad joke in Denver /Aurora today as a code enforcement officer got shot and killed yesterday. The hunt is on.
The hunt is over. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10984323
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Aside from the DenShield go/no go issue Mike had, what continually baffles me is the total lack of accountability that most building departments have.

You call them, you always get voice mail where you leave a message and they never call you back.

If you have an unusual circumstance you want to run by an inspector prior to submitting the permit, they won't talk to you. You have to guess what they want to see and if you're wrong, the mysteriously lose the plans on their desk for a few weeks.

They miss an inspection causing all sorts of cost delays and scheduling problems and they don't care.

They go on vacation without any coverage.

They approve one thing on the plans, then see the job and decide everything's suddenly wrong and has to be changed.

They don't understand that WE are their customers. If I treated my customers like I get treated by some buidling departments, I'd be out of business.

OTOH, some BIs are great and go out of their way to help me get things done. They'll fast track a permit, or inspect on MY schedule, not theirs. I always make sure I tell the good BIs that they are really doing a great job and thanks for making my life easier.

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