Going To Fire Someone Today. - Page 2 - General Discussion - Contractor Talk

Going To Fire Someone Today.

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-08-2013, 09:37 PM   #21
GC/carpenter
 
Calidecks's Avatar
 
Trade: Decking, Railing, Carpenter/General Contractor
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Anaheim Hills, California (OC)
Posts: 38,605
Rewards Points: 4,290

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by All City
It is hard when you have feelings. I got some advise years ago, just before you look him in the eyes and shake his hand, ask yourself can I fire him, if needed. I have fired family, granted it was my wife's side but it was not easy. Bottom line you need to fire this guy.
The hardest guys to fire are the ones that don't cut the mustard knowledge wise. I had a guy that tried really hard and was a nice guy. He said he was experienced and wasn't quite what he claimed to be. I payed him for the whole day relieved him of his position and ill be damned if he didn't start crying. It was horrible. I felt really bad, but he lied to me.
Calidecks is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Calidecks For This Useful Post:
Jaws (03-08-2013), Jrnoodle (03-08-2013), MattK (03-13-2013), mikeswoods (03-09-2013)

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 03-08-2013, 11:44 PM   #22
Pro
 
cleveman's Avatar
 
Trade: custom home building
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 2,836
Rewards Points: 2,624

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


I'm so dense, if it weren't for the other posters I couldn't figure out how to run the back side of the board through the saw before the front side of the board. I was thinking to myself, "so he ran the board through the saw with the wrong end pointing forwards. Why does it matter? And how can there be a wrong end to the board?"
cleveman is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to cleveman For This Useful Post:
boman47k (03-11-2013), EthanB (03-09-2013), RAbraker (03-09-2013), TAHomeRepairs (03-10-2013)
Old 03-08-2013, 11:48 PM   #23
Pro
 
tenon0774's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling Carpenter
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,138
Rewards Points: 2,270

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrnoodle View Post
- Cut a board on the table saw by sending it through backwards!
.
I think he meant sent the board through the outfeed end of the saw.

That could have been tragic!
__________________
-Scott
tenon0774 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-08-2013, 11:50 PM   #24
Kitchen Cabinets NJ
 
cabinetsnj's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen Cabinets
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,099
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrnoodle View Post
So we hired this guy last week and he started on Monday. Did a personal one hour interview, asked him a lot of questions, and today he is being let go. I feel bad for him and this is a little difficult for me because I have never done something like this in the 7 years we have been in business. Everything in the interview checked out, he said all the right things. My brother (our PM) didn't get a good vibe from him, but we ended up hiring him anyways because everything else checked out. This wasn't just a carpenter or helper we are looking for, the position was for someone with experience with bathroom and kitchen remodeling who could do the projects for us from start to finish. Except for some of the trade work.

Here's what has happened since Monday:

- Rolled a fridge across finished hardwood floor that left wheel marks.
- Dropped a nail gun on a tile floor and damaged tiles.
- Installed a wall cleat in the wrong spot (after he was told to where to install it) that left a finished wall damaged after removal.
- Cut a board on the table saw by sending it through backwards!
- Was late one morning by hour and half.
- Left early today because he was done with the tasks my PM told him and didn't follow up to see if anything else.

I feel bad for him. I've never had to fire someone after one week of work. But this guy is just a bonehead. I hopefully it goes smoothly this afternoon.
Maybe he had to try to get a job or his unemployment would be finished. Then he screwed it up so he could go back on unemployment.
__________________
NJ Cabinet Outlet
cabinetsnj is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 12:45 AM   #25
GC/carpenter
 
Calidecks's Avatar
 
Trade: Decking, Railing, Carpenter/General Contractor
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Anaheim Hills, California (OC)
Posts: 38,605
Rewards Points: 4,290

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


I don't know about other states but if you get fired in Cali and its your fault, you can't collect UI
Calidecks is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 09:14 AM   #26
Pro
 
schaefercs's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 593
Rewards Points: 520

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Californiadecks
I don't know about other states but if you get fired in Cali and its your fault, you can't collect UI
In ny you have to be with your employer at least one fiscal quarter. And you have to be fired to collect. Sounds like he wouldn't be able to collect. Even though he was fired it wasn't his "fault" for being let go, it was more that he misrepresented himself, if he were with his employer longer than just a week he would be able to collect. However if he didn't show up to work and got fired for that reason, he wouldn't be able to collect.
schaefercs is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 09:44 AM   #27
Pro
 
sancho's Avatar
 
Trade: Master Hack
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 345
Rewards Points: 252

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Looking at what happened and reading the responses..

Yea he needed to go.

I had a similar situation many years ago at age 21.

I was the screw up. I got hired by this guy. Real nice guy and a good boss.

But for some reason I cant explain it but I just screwed up the simplest task. No kidding,

Ive done the work for a couple of years with no problems,

But just had bad luck with that boss.

Cant it explain it.
Things just went to hell in a hand basket.

Everything I touched just went to sh--t.

Even the most remedial task.

I got fired after about a week or so.

I didnt blame the guy.

I cant explain why I screwed up.

Maybe I was trying to hard.

I deserved to be fired and knew it.

Now at 59, I still dont know what happened.

Sometimes things dont work out I guess.
__________________
"It's all good"
sancho is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 04:06 PM   #28
Builder of Stuff
 
Young_Buck's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpentry
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Huntington, Vermont
Posts: 363
Rewards Points: 290

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Safety issues are a good cause for dismissal... sounds like this guy needs to move on to another field...
Young_Buck is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 04:18 PM   #29
Pro
 
jhark123's Avatar
 
Trade: Pro Cat Herder
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Enumclaw, WA
Posts: 2,527
Rewards Points: 1,762

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Californiadecks View Post
The hardest guys to fire are the ones that don't cut the mustard knowledge wise. I had a guy that tried really hard and was a nice guy. He said he was experienced and wasn't quite what he claimed to be. I payed him for the whole day relieved him of his position and ill be damned if he didn't start crying. It was horrible. I felt really bad, but he lied to me.
Nope, the hardest is an apprentice that never develops the knowledge to be a journeyman.
jhark123 is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to jhark123 For This Useful Post:
Calidecks (03-10-2013), CarpenterSFO (03-11-2013), SAW.co (03-10-2013), tenon0774 (03-11-2013)
Old 03-10-2013, 04:26 PM   #30
TRADE CRAFTSMAN.
 
SAW.co's Avatar
 
Trade: general contractor
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Angels Camp CA
Posts: 1,230
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


I was wanting to give the guy a second chance.
until the part ware he ran plywood thru the table saw backwards.
SAW.co is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to SAW.co For This Useful Post:
Jaws (03-10-2013)
Old 03-10-2013, 04:47 PM   #31
The Duke
 
Kent Whitten's Avatar
 
Trade: Cabinet Maker
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Portland, Maine
Posts: 14,746
Rewards Points: 2,040

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


5 ish years ago, I was one of the managers in a sizable granite countertop company in the Boston area. The company I was working for just purchased a 2nd cnc machine and obviously the boss man wanted that thing churning out product all day long to make money.

I was the one programming both cnc's , but my duties were to manage the department, not do everything in the department. So we needed to hire a programmer.

Our search turned up a few decent ones, but we decided on this one guy who was programming for another company that was only keeping him busy one day of the week. He came with the best credentials for programming. We even called the company he worked for and they said we wouldn't have any problems at all, he's one of the best. He was a very high level Chinese defector, he had some serious background in journalism and education. like University Professor. Incredibly smart. Awards, the whole nine yards.

All good signs right? I work with him for a week. I show him how to program on the CAM software, which was so, so, so easy. I had designed a CAD to CAM workflow that ultimately made the programming a breeze. You could program in a minute or two. Simple. I did all of the leg work for him. A week went by and then I let him take over the reigns and practice. Nothing programmed yet, just practice.

Some reason he had trouble. Two days, three days went by...dead in the water. Couldn't figure it out. I showed him at least a dozen extra times. Gave him the manual to take home to study. Two weeks. Come in every day and practice. Let's go, we got **** to do.

By 3 weeks, I was getting short with the guy. He still could not make ONE mouse click on the screen and get it correct. I am just shaking my head at this point. I go to the lady who handles employees and she brings him in and discusses what needs to happen. She asks me to give him another week and show him YET again. A dozen or so more times go by.

I personally could program all the jobs for the day in an hour and this guy can't even make one correct mouse click? So I told him "tomorrow, you need to show me that you can accomplish SOMETHING" and the following day I sat him down and said "show me now"

He froze.

I told him to go pick up his check, sorry and thank you very much.

Later that day I get called in to the big bosses office. A rare occurrence. There sits this guy with boss man and the lady who handles employees (I am contracted through this particular company). I'm beside myself. This guy is saying "what do I do now? I quit the job I was working at for 12 years to come here, they already have someone else...I have no job...you promised me I could program..blah blah blah..."

The conversation just kept repeating over and over. Everyone was stuck. We were there for what seemed like an hour. He wouldn't leave, he just kept asking "please give me another chance, please give me another chance" I mean this guy was BEGGING and CRYING.

We had to get security eventually and escort him out. He did go peacefully, but I tell you what, never in my life was I ever worried that someone was going to be waiting for me outside of work with a gun...until that day. Weeks on end I watched my back exiting that building. It was one of THOSE types of guys. Just gave me the absolute creepiest feeling.

You have to be careful with firing. You need to play it just right. It's easier to make them want to QUIT.
__________________
If you correct your mind, the rest of your life will fall into place ~Lao Tzu

SalmonFallsCabinetry.com

Salmon Falls Cabinetry on Facebook
Kent Whitten is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kent Whitten For This Useful Post:
CrpntrFrk (03-10-2013), Morning Wood (03-10-2013)
Old 03-10-2013, 05:28 PM   #32
Want to play a game?
 
CrpntrFrk's Avatar
 
Trade: I do that too!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Globe, Arizona
Posts: 4,522
Rewards Points: 4,196

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Wow Kent!

It's amazing what the activities of society has done to our heads. Fire someone for not doing a good job and you never know if they are going to blame you for it.

That's crazy. Glad you came out alright ol' boy.
__________________
My tools are always yelling at me cause the wife and kids take up too much room.
CrpntrFrk is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to CrpntrFrk For This Useful Post:
Jaws (03-10-2013)
Old 03-10-2013, 05:56 PM   #33
The Sheriff

 
Jaws's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,510
Rewards Points: 13,906

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


A good way to make someone quit is have them look for a non existent object in a 40 yard dumpster for a day or so.
__________________
"The sound of the saftey clicking off is the only warning your gonna get......., so cover your ears" Northeast Wyoming 2016

John
Jaws is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 06:16 PM   #34
The Duke
 
Kent Whitten's Avatar
 
Trade: Cabinet Maker
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Portland, Maine
Posts: 14,746
Rewards Points: 2,040

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Exactly. A guy I used to work for long time ago told me that it is best to find a way for them to quit all on their own. He had a gun pointed at him after a firing. That has to make you soil your shorts some.

After that, he would tell the guy he was a little slow on work and didn't need him that day, call him tomorrow. He would play that for awhile, give him a little work here and there, but not much, not even a full day...like 4 or 5 hours. Eventually, the person runs out of money and is forced to find another job. Problem solved.

Or like John says, find a really nasty dirty crappy job for them to do and make them do it over and over. Like dig the power line trench.
__________________
If you correct your mind, the rest of your life will fall into place ~Lao Tzu

SalmonFallsCabinetry.com

Salmon Falls Cabinetry on Facebook
Kent Whitten is offline  
Old 03-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #35
Pro
 
donerightwyo's Avatar
 
Trade: custom builder
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,839
Rewards Points: 60

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


When i was in high school me and my buddy worked for a guy that had a concrete plant amongst other businesses. One day our boss tells my buddy to go behind the plant and dig a hole 8 feet wide, 8 ft long and 5 ft deep with perfectly square owners and straight sides. This was a several day project. My buddy comes in the following day and the boss tells him, the rain filled that hole in, we're going to have to dig it again.

My buddy tells me later, he don't think it was rain cause there was loader tracks all around that hole

My buddy never quit though, he got fired about six times, but never quit.
__________________
I can't compete with hacks.
donerightwyo is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to donerightwyo For This Useful Post:
TAHomeRepairs (03-10-2013), tenon0774 (03-11-2013)
Old 03-10-2013, 08:46 PM   #36
TRADE CRAFTSMAN.
 
SAW.co's Avatar
 
Trade: general contractor
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Angels Camp CA
Posts: 1,230
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Ya know once a guy hits 25 and he still hasn't figured it out their probably isn't much hope for him.
I started in the trades when I was only 15 and that was a clumsy stage for me that lasted for about 4 years. If it were not for the almighty second chance I would probably be flipping burgers or stocking shelves somewhere.

Not every one is the same, some are worth it, some are not...
SAW.co is offline  
Old 03-11-2013, 01:47 AM   #37
Pro
 
CarpenterSFO's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: CA
Posts: 7,076
Rewards Points: 2,044

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jhark123 View Post
Nope, the hardest is an apprentice that never develops the knowledge to be a journeyman.
I've been chewing on this very problem for a little while now. Got a guy who's worked for me for 3 years. Reliable, the most trustworthy employee I've ever had. But he hasn't learned journeyman skills and doesn't seem to have any ambition to do so. I can't grow the company with people who can't learn and grow in the job.
__________________
- Bob
CarpenterSFO is offline  
Old 03-11-2013, 09:15 AM   #38
Kitchen Cabinets NJ
 
cabinetsnj's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen Cabinets
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,099
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Kent, sometimes I use that approach. I make guys want to quit. It saves me a lot of hassle.
__________________
NJ Cabinet Outlet
cabinetsnj is offline  
Old 03-11-2013, 10:48 AM   #39
Pro
 
KennMacMoragh's Avatar
 
Trade: Repair/Remodel
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,928
Rewards Points: 3,364

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


What kind of test questions did you ask him at the interview? I doubt he worked for himself for 8 years. If he didn't know that you can't drag a refrigerator across a hardwood floor then he couldn't have had much remodel experience.
KennMacMoragh is online now  
Old 03-11-2013, 03:58 PM   #40
Pro
 
B.Scott's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boston (South Shore)
Posts: 352
Rewards Points: 296

Re: Going To Fire Someone Today.


Quote:
Originally Posted by KennMacMoragh
What kind of test questions did you ask him at the interview? I doubt he worked for himself for 8 years. If he didn't know that you can't drag a refrigerator across a hardwood floor then he couldn't have had much remodel experience.
Sounds like he had eight years experience working for an appliance store. Those guys are brutal on new floors. LOL....

Advertisement

B.Scott is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to B.Scott For This Useful Post:
BCConstruction (03-12-2013), CarpenterSFO (03-11-2013), FGCC (03-12-2013), lawndart (03-17-2013)


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Generator caught on fire today Burns-Built Tools & Equipment 11 10-13-2014 07:05 PM
1/2 story steel fire escape stair App-ironworks Specialty Trades Picture Post 6 03-09-2013 09:34 AM
Joists Replacement While Maintaining Fire Escape Access? Lovegasoline General Discussion 17 11-19-2010 02:06 PM
Gas Flex running through the wall of fire place acrwc10 Plumbing 6 12-07-2008 11:14 PM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?