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Old 02-19-2019, 08:09 PM   #1
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As a small contractor I get approached or see opportunities to bid on single trade projects like painting or fencing. Looking for some insight on how to handle projects as GC with only one trade involved.

Do you approach the job the same as a job with multiple trades e.i. markup?

How do you stay competitive if you are subcontracting the work with a specific trade contractor?
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:14 PM   #2
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I don't do em. If they call for a paint job (rare) I send them to a painter.

If it is carpentry and near a job I'll charge what I want to make for it, if they take It - great. If not - great.
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As a small contractor I get approached or see opportunities to bid on single trade projects like painting or fencing. Looking for some insight on how to handle projects as GC with only one trade involved.

Do you approach the job the same as a job with multiple trades e.i. markup?

How do you stay competitive if you are subcontracting the work with a specific trade contractor?
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:30 PM   #3
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I get these all the time. I also perform most of the work. Im a one man show.

Decks, fences, int. paints, ext. paints, roofs. Lots of handyman stuff and tons of repairs. Sometimes combinations of many of the above.sometimes just one.

- I have a painter I sometimes work with. I get an estimate from him and add some markup. If I get the job, he does it and I make money. If I donít get the job, no big deal.

- I donít really care too much about being competitive. He does give me a competitive price, and if itís too low, I add more markup. Itís still a reasonable price.

- sometimes Iíll just pass the referral onto him. I gave him one yesterday. A couple hundred and zero involvement is all right with me also.

- I prefer to perform the jobs with more margin than painting.






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As a small contractor I get approached or see opportunities to bid on single trade projects like painting or fencing. Looking for some insight on how to handle projects as GC with only one trade involved.

Do you approach the job the same as a job with multiple trades e.i. markup?



How do you stay competitive if you are subcontracting the work with a specific trade contractor?
You hire Mexicans of the corner and then have to go redo it yourself after u pay them.
So there is no profit really.
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:50 AM   #5
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its the same basic recipe .

figure materials
figure man-hours or days.
there is a lot more run around doing small projects
yes its " handyman" stuff, but a good amount of clients want a licensed guy so they know they get what they pay for .

i`ve had 6-8 guys running , and now as im older , i do mostly the small stuff
not sexy, but even when i had a crew , i`d run a round , and do these small things to keep clients happy , and the would call with bigger things eventually .
its not for everybody ,
your constantly running to supply house ,you need to finish quickly to make a better profit , so you have to have a good eye for what you need ( i over-buy materials , and just return what i don`t need next time i`m there )

sometimes i wish i did do like "Jaws " said . if you want to gear for only bigger jobs , you should do what he said .

i mainly do small things now ( bitter/sweet)
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Painter/ suddenly a gc just threw me a nice job. Says add $200 on for me. Usually how it works


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Thanks for the responses, I'm not talking about small residential work. I do a lot work with HOA's, apartment complexes, and small amount of commercial work.
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If I didn't need to supervise, hand hold, or generally stop in more than once to say hello I almost always just gave the jobs directly to the appropriate sub. They get some additional work and they know where it came from it just continues to build the relationship and the network. For bigger one trade jobs like a patio or a whole house paint or major electrical I would often go on the estimate, make a personal introduction, and then leave them to it.
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Thanks Fred54, do you do your standard mark up or something less for those jobs you do a personal introduction. Im currently bidding on a commercial job from a referral but I'm concerned about pricing being to high.
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Have done many jobs where my crews did very little self perform work, the majority being subcontracted out. If you have good subs it can work out great. You really need supervision on the job at all times to monitor quality, schedule, safety, housekeeping, etc., and to be point man for client interaction.

Our markups on subs run anywhere from 5 - 25%, depends on job size, if you're up against competition, etc. Great way to turn a bunch of additional revenue and make some more money, with limited manpower tied up.

Pulling the whole deal and team together to properly execute the entire project is really what contracting is all about.
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i refer all my subs .
never ask for a kickback.
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My subs refer me, I refer my subs. It's how we roll.


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two other gc's i worked with we would refer to reach other if we didn't fit with the client or could not work them in. these two guys were way high quality guys & no bs...

i always tried to take care of my subs....

didn't have to worry about most of them rich bastards....

two guys i worked hard with were my ec & hvac guy....

young, family guys, hard working, no bs....just at times way underbid stuff...

and at times went thru slow periods....

hired both to help frame when they were slow....

had the ec guy service my equipment after hours and weekends when he got some unexpected medical bills...

couple of times called them in at final reckoning, they thought they were going to get an azz chewing....

flat out told them you guys were WAY to cheap....

gave them final checks with pretty decent bucks over what they billed for....

never regretted it....came back to me in spades....
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i refer all my subs .

never ask for a kickback.


This guy always asks for a piece lol. Heís good for about 2 jobs a year. One of those that does about 50% cash types
I gave my roofer friend about 50k in referrals last year. Donít want anything. Buy me a beer

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exactly .

if a client wants a referral , do you give the guy who gives you the money, or the guy who is really good, and hence makes you look good?

like most guys on here , most of my work is referral
if i had to give a kickback on them all , i`d need a serate bookkeeper just for that.

if its a big job , and a lucrative job , i will , if it doesn`t jeopardize getting the project , i`ll put a lil sumpin sumpin on for the referrer.
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two other gc's i worked with we would refer to reach other if we didn't fit with the client or could not work them in. these two guys were way high quality guys & no bs...

i always tried to take care of my subs....

didn't have to worry about most of them rich bastards....

two guys i worked hard with were my ec & hvac guy....

young, family guys, hard working, no bs....just at times way underbid stuff...

and at times went thru slow periods....

hired both to help frame when they were slow....

had the ec guy service my equipment after hours and weekends when he got some unexpected medical bills...

couple of times called them in at final reckoning, they thought they were going to get an azz chewing....

flat out told them you guys were WAY to cheap....

gave them final checks with pretty decent bucks over what they billed for....

never regretted it....came back to me in spades....

had that happen a few times
my mud guy "enrique" would always sheepishly guess a number.
i`d have to say " enrique , your too low "
you don`t want a sub starving on your job , no incentive to finish.
but it backfired over the years
now enrique still hasn`t learned to bid right , he just guesses higher , and sometimes ridiculously high where i say " enrique,! way too high!"
idiot.
he and his guys are so good , no mess , perfect walls , but he refuses to learn to bid correctly.
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if a client wants a referral , do you give the guy who gives you the money, or the guy who is really good, and hence makes you look good?



like most guys on here , most of my work is referral

if i had to give a kickback on them all , i`d need a serate bookkeeper just for that.



if its a big job , and a lucrative job , i will , if it doesn`t jeopardize getting the project , i`ll put a lil sumpin sumpin on for the referrer.


Even if my sub offered a kickback I wouldn't take it. I would just tell him the reason I have gave them your name is because I know you'll do a great Job. That helps me more than a kickback.


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Run everything thru you so the HOA or apartment mngr. etc. calls you for everything. I don't care if a tree falls over, they call you. You become THE GUY that gets sheet done.

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