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Unread 08-20-2019, 08:40 PM   #1
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Just got a worker's comp policy, and need to hire some guys but worried that I may not have enough work to keep them busy. Need them full time for a few weeks then it will probably go to part time as needed. Don't want them to quit and file unemployment. Or they may prove to be not worth hiring and I may have to let them go.

How do you all deal with this? What's the best practice here?

The workers comp policy doesn't list employees individually. Is there any danger in hiring some guys as contractors (as long as I can verify their right to work in the US) and paying cash for a while, to test their metal before making them official employees and putting them through payroll?
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It seems that you are not ready to have employees

if you only need a couple of weeks of help, use a temp service

there is no trial period that you can just pay cash

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Itís all about your mindset.
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Hire em, teach em how to properly swing the hammer, then go round up more work while they work.

You should raise your rates, itís expensive to have employees and keep them employed. I always try to have fill in work for the guys when weíre between bigger jobs.

You shouldnít feel guilty charging more, look at how much you bring to the table for a customer......employees, tools, equipment, insurance, etc.

Weíre slow right now so weíve been knocking out small jobs and doing maintenance on business stuff (shop, trailers, equipment) and working on my house. Once you get good help you have to keep em busy or theyíll move on.


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If you want to hire employees, and be able to keep them, then it in on you to step back from the tools, and get more work.
Employees really are a bit like children.
They depend on you.
They need 40 plus hours a week.
As they have obligations.
They donít want unemployment.
They want to work.
If you arenít up to the challenge, maybe you arenít ready to hire yet.
It is a huge responsibility.


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If for short term I think temp agency is way to go . It is what I am doing at the moment. Let them deal with the W/C , taxes and such, then if that is working for you then look at doing it full time.
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If you want to hire employees, and be able to keep them, then it in on you to step back from the tools, and get more work.
Employees really are a bit like children.
They depend on you.
They need 40 plus hours a week.
As they have obligations.
They donít want unemployment.
They want to work.
If you arenít up to the challenge, maybe you arenít ready to hire yet.
It is a huge responsibility.


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Good advice here !
+1 For using a temp agency until you have the ability to keep them on full time.
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Make sure you really have a need for this person before bringing them on. The tax side of things can be a total nightmare if you don't know what you're doing
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Where do you find good employees?

How many do you go through before you find one worth keeping?

I've tried a half dozen in the last few years, and none made it.
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Where do you find good employees?

How many do you go through before you find one worth keeping?

I've tried a half dozen in the last few years, and none made it.
A temp agency i spoke with today said that if i like one of their guys i can hire him after 90 days.
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Where do you find good employees?
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You'll find them hanging in a ol van down by the river.
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Contract them each time. Use a 1099.
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Contract them each time. Use a 1099.
He's talking employee's not subs. 1099'ing employee's is why wages are stagnant and no one wants in to the trades. Pay the taxes, give some benny's and treat the guy how you would want to be treated.

Not to mention the "dummy comp policy" does not cover said 1099. If they do get hurt, you will get sued along with homeowner of job that accident happened. Do it right or take a job, the wages are the same if you can't afford real employee's.

Not to mention, there is no dummy liability policy. You also have to commit insurance fraud unless they want to shell out another 3K for that (in MA). Unless you just run with no permits or insurance, which reverts back to take a job instead.
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A temp agency i spoke with today said that if i like one of their guys i can hire him after 90 days.
We don't have temp agencies anywhere close.
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He's talking employee's not subs. 1099'ing employee's is why wages are stagnant and no one wants in to the trades. Pay the taxes, give some benny's and treat the guy how you would want to be treated.

Not to mention the "dummy comp policy" does not cover said 1099. If they do get hurt, you will get sued along with homeowner of job that accident happened. Do it right or take a job, the wages are the same if you can't afford real employee's.

Not to mention, there is no dummy liability policy. You also have to commit insurance fraud unless they want to shell out another 3K for that (in MA). Unless you just run with no permits or insurance, which reverts back to take a job instead.
So true.
I hate to say it, but wish our state would start doing rural inspections.

Except for an electrician, plumber, and HVAC, anybody can get an LLC, then if they have the credit, or $$ for material can call themselves a building contractor, and almost all pay their "employees" as 1099 subs.
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A temp agency i spoke with today said that if i like one of their guys i can hire him after 90 days.
You're going to want a minimum of 30, preferrably 90-days of reserves set aside for each person you hire so they can make you money right out of the gate...
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Sounds like you either might need to

-man up and get the work of a crew done by yourself for a project or 2

-use a temp agency for your few projects

-commit to hiring 1 guy and having the confidence to delver good work at a higher price than you are used to

-walking away from some jobs until your business is in a different place.


Just don't try to reinvent the wheal and have employees without "having employees". If there is enough money in the projects to justify doing them, there is enough money to put the few things in place to have guys hired on.
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So true.
I hate to say it, but wish our state would start doing rural inspections.

Except for an electrician, plumber, and HVAC, anybody can get an LLC, then if they have the credit, or $$ for material can call themselves a building contractor, and almost all pay their "employees" as 1099 subs.
Funny, we have inspections up the wazoo here. Some towns actually do screw inspections for drywall. Yet, if you run with no permit they turn a blind eye.

I found that running legit just attracted better and higher paying customers. We've always done the best job possible, but customers notice communication and people in their home they trust. The other part really is treating your "jobsite" like the customers home. I always get compliments on how clean our jobs are.
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A temp agency i spoke with today said that if i like one of their guys i can hire him after 90 days.
You may also want to try and find a small 2-3 crew that is already insured and you can just clean up behind them. Some guys just want to work and can't run a business. Just have to deal with the schedule aspect of that.
I just pay top dollar so when I call my jobs come first.
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Where do you find good employees?

How many do you go through before you find one worth keeping?

I've tried a half dozen in the last few years, and none made it.
That's about my experience. You have to sift through a lot of weeds before you find a gem. When you do you pay them well, buy them things and make sure they are happy. All of course if they take care of you in turn.

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