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Old 04-13-2015, 08:42 PM   #61
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I never never let an employee give me an ultimatum. I do understand you needing the help. At least you told him no. Now it's up to him to either follow through with his threat or stay. However, I can remember telling a boss "I love working for you but I can't afford to at my current rate of pay". I got a raise on the spot. Sometimes it's how it's worded.
Did all you young bucks take note on the proper way to ask for a raise? Make sure you tell your boss how much you love him first.
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:44 PM   #62
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Did all you young bucks take note on the proper way to ask for a raise? Make sure you tell your boss how much you love him first.
"Boss, I love you."

"Are you drunk?"
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Did all you young bucks take note on the proper way to ask for a raise? Make sure you tell your boss how much you love him first.

Maybe if he would have got a hug in there.....
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"Boss, I love you."

"Are you drunk?"
"Boss, I love you."

"Kid, I love you too. Now get back in that crawl space."
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Lying, stealing, cheating on their time sheets, getting high or drunk, all those are easy. What's harder is firing the guy with borderline skills- motivated, trustworthy, reliable, but just never going to learn enough and be good enough to make me money. It's not a charity.
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Lying, stealing, cheating on their time sheets, getting high or drunk, all those are easy. What's harder is firing the guy with borderline skills- motivated, trustworthy, reliable, but just never going to learn enough and be good enough to make me money. It's not a charity.

Those ones are tough. I had a guy like that a few years ago - showed up early everyday, he was happy to be there, worked hard and he really tried but he was never going to make the cut. And he knew it, which made it worse because he still showed up everyday with a smile on his face and ready to work....

Luckily about a week after I finally let him go I was talking to a guy who is a foreman at a recycling plant and they were looking for a dock worker - he hired the guy and he has done well there.
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Firing guys is extremely hard.
As it should be.

It's particularly hard for the small businessman, as most of us are, because inevitably there's a much more personal relationship between the parties.

I confess that's one of the reasons I prefer to bring guys in as subs on occasion rather than actually set them up as employees. Much easier to just not call them when the next job comes up.
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Those ones are tough. I had a guy like that a few years ago - showed up early everyday, he was happy to be there, worked hard and he really tried but he was never going to make the cut. And he knew it, which made it worse because he still showed up everyday with a smile on his face and ready to work....

Luckily about a week after I finally let him go I was talking to a guy who is a foreman at a recycling plant and they were looking for a dock worker - he hired the guy and he has done well there.

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No, not Dustincoc LOL....
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What does it take for you to fire someone off your crew?


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First off, anyone with a lame-ass tool belt, as pictured, would be gone the minute it was spotted.

Now, even assuming he was wearing Oxys ... it he doesn't have enough sense to take his darned belt off, prior to ducking work and drinkin' a beer ... he'd be gone for sure.
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After 29 years in business I have fired so many people I couldn't count them. We used to work out of town a lot, and you would go through so many trying to find a couple good ones it was crazy. If I went out for a beer I would have to sit in a corner because half the people in there I had fired. The majority of those lied about their work experience and they didn't last more than a day or two. We have fired people for showing up late too many times, showing up half pissed, not calling in and not showing up. A few years back we had this one young buck who wouldn't stop texting on his phone. After about four warnings, hit the road sonny. We have 12 employees who are dedicated and have been with us a long time. They know the rules and they know they are enforced. Any new guys soon learn, its my way or the highway. If you let everyone break the rules, you would be working by yourself some days because everyone would show up when the felt like it.
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Fired guy today 49 years old.
Said her knew how to roof.
#1 1st day, complained about stripping 4 pitch
#2 complained about having to "HELP" cleanup 4 squares and throw into dumpster.
#3 CONSTANTLY had to remind him to wear fall protection
#4 put starter shingle upside down.
#5 broke roofing gun
#6 could get anything for himself.
#7 put ridge cap on backwards, wrong side exposed.

all this in a 6 day period, after numerous pep talks and teachings..

I give up.. anyone hiring. ????????
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First off, anyone with a lame-ass tool belt, as pictured, would be gone the minute it was spotted.

Now, even assuming he was wearing Oxys ... it he doesn't have enough sense to take his darned belt off, prior to ducking work and drinkin' a beer ... he'd be gone for sure.
How does a set of bags disqualify someone? Just curious.
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It doesn't take much for me to fire someone. In other industries I had to go by whatever process was in place.

We keep this small but I did can my husband's brother for no shows a while back.

Most days I would fire my husband if I could. He's a good technician and all but he's a pain.
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He's a good technician and all but he's a pain.
That's still better than a bad technician that isn't...
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I fire a guy a couple times a year.

I have a system in place that prepares them for it.

All of my hires come looking for me (which is important), mostly via my existing crew (so they have been warned).

The first week while they are getting friendly with the crew, my guys let them know that I am not easy to please and that it may not work out if they can't hack it.

I have never had anyone part on bad terms though. They themselves always seem to understand that they aren't cut out for what we do.
(and they frankly seem relieved sometimes ).

You gotta smash a lotta rocks to get to the diamonds.
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A friend of mine fired his wife.

I don't see any winning in that situation.
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I don't like firing somebody.
The key is to not hire idiots.
A few weeks ago , this guy named Barry kept calling me wanting a job. Telling me how smart he was. I left the door open, thought he might work out because people quit and so on. Well I had a guy quit, so I called this Barry guy on a Sunday, he said yes , I will start tomorrow.

No show. He called said he was sick.
Tuesday.... he left a message, said he couldn't find the job. Could you meet me at Quik-trip and I follow you to the Job .
I said sure , I will lead you there.

That morning , I was on my way to the job, I called him and said I don't have time to meet you, and gave him directions again. He calls me an hour later and says he can't find the place could I come meet him or send somebody to lead him in.

Hell no . If you cant find the job I don't want you. This was a test, you idiot.

Does that count as being fired?
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Then, he called back and left a message apologizing and saying he didn't know what he did to offend me, blah, blah, blah.

I still don't know what he looks like. When I get some free time , I want to call him and explain my feelings.
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Lying, stealing, cheating on their time sheets, getting high or drunk, all those are easy. What's harder is firing the guy with borderline skills- motivated, trustworthy, reliable, but just never going to learn enough and be good enough to make me money. It's not a charity.
At least they make great laborers, but it's depressing watch newer guys get promoted and paid more while that guy stays at level 1.

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I don't like firing somebody.
The key is to not hire idiots.
A few weeks ago , this guy named Barry kept calling me wanting a job. Telling me how smart he was. I left the door open, thought he might work out because people quit and so on. Well I had a guy quit, so I called this Barry guy on a Sunday, he said yes , I will start tomorrow.

No show. He called said he was sick.
Tuesday.... he left a message, said he couldn't find the job. Could you meet me at Quik-trip and I follow you to the Job .
I said sure , I will lead you there.

That morning , I was on my way to the job, I called him and said I don't have time to meet you, and gave him directions again. He calls me an hour later and says he can't find the place could I come meet him or send somebody to lead him in.

Hell no . If you cant find the job I don't want you. This was a test, you idiot.

Does that count as being fired?
I had almost the exact same experience but with more elaborate excuses. When the guy finally arrived I handed him 50 bucks and said take the rest of the day off and don't come back.

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